Talk:New York (state)

Edit request: largest county

In the introduction, it states that Brooklyn(Kings) is the largest county in New York. That's true, but only by population. Queens is actually the largest county by landmass. I just think that that should be specified. Perhaps in parentheses. For example: "Largest County or Equivalent (by population). Yourewrong1996 (talk) 15:39, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

 Not done. Doing that isn't really necessary. It's best to keep the introduction the way it is. NotJamestack (talk) 16:49, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Correcting a factually misleading misstatement "isn't really necessary"? If one wishes to promote public financial support of Wikipedia, we suppose it really is necessary. Meanwhile, the state mammal is arbitrarily excluded from the list of mammal species that are found in the state? ~2026-20750-35 (talk) 09:47, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not about everything. It's fine to leave out things that most people pay no attention to. NotJamestack (✉️|📝) 12:23, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

If you click the heading of the field before it, you are taken to List of the most populous counties by U.S. state. It is part of the infobox field and is being used correctly. I do disagree, largest should be size, not population, but this should be discussed at that infobox template talk page, not here.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 19:42, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

"COVID 19" subsection under the "Recent History" main section

I was in a.... lively discussion about this section back in 2020. It's a lot more neutral-sounding now than it was back then. It also has better grammar.

I still think there should at least be some mention of the fact that NYC in particular is a very special case in this country for the fact that it is so densely populated. There is a main article all about COVID 19 inside of NYC, and it is linked to that article. But I think a short sentence or two on this main page in that subsection about population density would err more on the side of political neutrality. The way it is currently written, without the proper context of why the governor and the mayor at the time made the decisions they made (especially in light of the fact that religious people at that time tended to oppose simple measures such as utilizing masks and social distancing), still sounds a little bit politically-motivated.

I feel as though people should be reminded of the fact that NYC isn't just another city. It is one of America's four primary first cities (the others being LA, Chicago, and Dallas). With NYC itself being the "crown jewel" so to speak. Only a handful of cities around the world have population sizes and densities greater than NYC. It is also one of the most internationally visited city in the US, and among the tops in the world itself. Making it particularly vulnerable the spread of infectious diseases on multiple fronts. The decisions made by both the governor and the mayor were not without a real motivation at the time of the crisis.

Most of this stuff is probably already discussed in the main NYC COVID 19 Pandemic page. All I would personally like to see, is just an extra sentence; or maybe a short paragraph of a few sentences; referencing the sheer population size, density, and international visitors to NYC in order to balance the part about the court ruling against Cuomo and deBlasio in order to make it more politically neutral. Nihilianth (talk) 05:14, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

"It is one of America's four primary first cities": What do you mean by this?--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 21:39, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

That's besides the main point, but there are first-class "world cities." Paris, London, Berlin, NYC, LA, Chicago, Mexico City, Moscow, Beijing, Shanghai, Tokyo.

Every country has a "primate city," coined by Benjamin Franklin, or "primary" city that a lot of poorer nations use to rival the capital city in order to establish a more balanced approach to develop in the country. A lot of those poorer nations have their largest primary city as their capital, like Mogadishu and Kampala.

NYC is one of the world's major cities. It isn't just the fact that it has the largest population in the United States; it isn't just the fact that it is the most densely populated in the United States; it is also the most internationally-visited city in the United States. All of which are MAJOR contributing factors to the spread of an infectious disease like COVID. A disease that was spread through bodily fluids, and can rapidly be transmitted through large crowds and gatherings of humans.

To just simply state "Andrew Cuomo and Mayor de Blasio made policy that restricted religious gatherings that were struck down by the [Trump-appointed] courts" is extremely misleading regarding the actual nuance of the actual situation of a case of a major medical outbreak at that time.

Also, to ignore the fact that the religious right.... The right wing more broadly...at that time was being particularly defiant in refusing to take the necessary precautions to prevent or slow the spread of a highly contagious and deadly disease, what was termed "Super Spreader Events," is misleading.

I'm not suggesting that "the right wing was being defiant" should be written into the article. I am seeking political balance here through factual information.

There is a lot more to this issue that I would like to say here. But at this point, it might be a bit much for a small subsection of this article about the State of NY in general. Especially considering it is its own Wikipedia page now. Therefore, I think a simple statement about it being the largest, most densely populated, and most internationally-visited city in America that makes it particularly vulnerable to the spread of a highly contagious disease like COVID.

Or, considering the Trump-appointed court was politically motivated, that paragraph about Cuomo and deBlasio could just simply be eradicated altogether and added into the main Wiki article about COVID in NYC that the subsection is linked to anyway. And leave in about how NYC, being so densely populated and with such high international and national visitation rates, was particularly affected.

My main goal here is to raise awareness about facts and science. It isn't a question of IF another major deadly outbreak will occur. But WHEN. It's far better for all sources of information remain as politically neutral as possible, and to present as fair and accurate facts as possible. A lot of people read these pages, and if Wikipedia can be a contributing source of information to inform people about how to stay safe during a crisis; whether it be war, crime, infectious diseases or what have you; then there is value in that. It suits the goal of Wikipedia.

Previously when I tried to engage in getting this page fixed, I was shot down because I took it upon myself to make that change. My wording was poor at the time. And now, 4 years later, there is no mention of the very real issue of population density and movement of people being a major contributing factor in the spread of diseases like COVID inside of the subsection about COVID in NYC. Nihilianth (talk) 05:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2026

Change "represtatives" to "representatives" Lincoln1860 (talk) 00:59, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for pointing it out. LizardJr8 (talk) 02:16, 11 July 2026 (UTC)

Requested move 7 August 2026

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Speedy close as disruptive nomination without a rationale besides "last discussion was over one year ago". (closed by non-admin page mover) ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:34, 7 August 2026 (UTC)

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New York (state) → State of New YorkState of New York – Last discussion was over one year ago. I don't see any reason not to move this article. CherryBlossomGuy (talk) 01:57, 7 August 2026 (UTC)

Last discussion was into SNOW territory with opposition to that proposal and here now you are not even raising an actual reason to do so. Change for change sake is disruptive, especially for such a high-profile article with so many inbound links, subpages, and consistency to maintain. DMacks (talk) 02:22, 7 August 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose Not WP:CONCISE – Muboshgu (talk) 02:28, 7 August 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONSISTENT and failure of OP to even provide a reason, just like the previous editor to attempt this. Raskuly 🐰 05:55, 7 August 2026 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 16 August 2026

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved; withdrawn by me ---- (non-admin closure) CherryBlossomGuy (talk) 21:25, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

New York (state) → New York StateNew York State – After reading some more guidelines, I have decided to open up this discussion again. This time I am proposing a new title. Per WP:COMMONNAME, New York State is the most commonly used name by search engines and by the state itself (on its drivers licenses and on the state website). CherryBlossomGuy (talk) 15:58, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

Also regarding the previous editor's point about WP:CONCISE, the new title I'm proposing is shorter than the current name CherryBlossomGuy (talk) 16:01, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

• Comment You did see the previous discussion and its OVERWHELMING consensus not to move the article to "New York State", right? I recommend withdrawing this move request, as it will just catch massive flack and be closed. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:17, 16 August 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose (three words is not more concise than two or two+DAB; disputing the unsubstantiated claim of "most commonly used name"), snow-close (per Zxcvbnm), and warn nominator for disruption. DMacks (talk) 17:12, 16 August 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose per previous RM. @CherryBlossomGuy: probably a good idea to withdraw this. 162 etc. (talk) 17:24, 16 August 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose while it might be somewhat common it doesn't appear to pass WP:NATURAL like French language per Britannica. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:16, 16 August 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose per all above, and maintain consistency with Washington (state). Alanscottwalker (talk) 19:11, 16 August 2026 (UTC)