Property talk:P286
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head coach
on-field manager or head coach of a sports club (not to be confused with a general manager P505, which is not a coaching position) or person
on-field manager or head coach of a sports club (not to be confused with a general manager P505, which is not a coaching position) or person
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Type “sports club (Q847017), sports team (Q12973014), sports season of a sports club (Q1539532), sports governing body (Q2485448), fictional sports club (Q98767736), fictional sports team (Q56850094)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “sports club (Q847017), sports team (Q12973014), sports season of a sports club (Q1539532), sports governing body (Q2485448), fictional sports club (Q98767736), fictional sports team (Q56850094)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P286#Type Q847017, Q12973014, Q1539532, Q2485448, Q98767736, Q56850094, SPARQL
Value type “human (Q5), character (Q95074)”: This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value human (Q5), character (Q95074) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P286#Value type Q5, Q95074, hourly updated report, SPARQLProperty “sex or gender (P21)” declared by target items of “head coach (P286)”: If [item A] has this property with value [item B], [item B] is required to have property “sex or gender (P21)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P286#Target required claim P21, SPARQL, SPARQL (by value)
Property “occupation (P106)” declared by target items of “head coach (P286)”: If [item A] has this property with value [item B], [item B] is required to have property “occupation (P106)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P286#Target required claim P106, SPARQL, SPARQL (by value)
Qualifiers “start time (P580), end time (P582), end cause (P1534), duration (P2047), replaces (P1365), replaced by (P1366), point in time (P585), together with (P1706), series ordinal (P1545), object of statement has role (P3831), sport (P641), reason for deprecated rank (P2241), reason for preferred rank (P7452), nature of statement (P5102), latest start date (P8555), earliest date (P1319), earliest end date (P8554), latest date (P1326), member of sports team (P54)”: this property should be used only with the listed qualifiers. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P286#allowed qualifiers, SPARQL
Contemporaries:
if [item A] has this property (head coach (P286)) linked to [item B],
then [item A] and [item B] have to coincide or coexist at some point of history. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: VII Rugby Torino (Q3958419)if [item A] has this property (head coach (P286)) linked to [item B],
then [item A] and [item B] have to coincide or coexist at some point of history. (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P286#Contemporary, SPARQL
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P286#Entity types
Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as qualifier (Q54828449): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P286#Scope, SPARQL
Citation needed: the property must have at least one reference (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P286#citation needed
Conflicts with “instance of (P31): human (Q5)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P286#Conflicts with P31, search, SPARQL
Occupation: tennis trainer
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Violations query:
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P286#Occupation: tennis trainer
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Violations query:
SELECT ?item ?trainer { ?item wdt:P286 ?trainer. ?item wdt:P106 wd:Q10833314. FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?trainer wdt:P106 wd:Q13219424} FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?trainer wdt:P106 wd:Q41583} FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?trainer wdt:P106 wd:Q57199189} }List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P286#Occupation: tennis trainer
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Discussion
[edit]Discussion
[edit]This property appears to be have been created without any regard to statements I've made, repeatedly, at the proposal stage. One cannot simply create a property for a sports team "manager" as that term is woefully ambiguous. In European soccer, and elsewhere, it seems to refer to what we in North America would call a en:Head coach. I'm sure it would inevitably be confused with en:General manager (American football), en:General manager (basketball), en:General manager (baseball) and en:General manager (ice hockey) -- in other words, all North American major league sports -- which is often shortened to simply "manager," and is a different post entirely. I've tried to disambiguate the description somewhat; feel free to improve on it. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:38, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
- I've also modified the French label to " entraîneur en chef," to disambiguate from coaches that are not head coaches. But that may be judged too Quebecois (it is widely used in the League nationale du hockey) by those of you from France. I am by no means an expert in French. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:37, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
- Hello, I think that in non-Quebec French, en chef is not used in this circumstance, for exemple, the page fr:Entraîneur don't use en chef and to talk about other coaches, entraîneur adjoint is used. --Fawkes d 21:18, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
- Another problem is, the French definition now does not match the English. This property in English cannot be used for people who train animals. A head coach or manager is not the same as a "trainer,' as it apparently is en francais. But additionally, I'd personally find the idea of a shared property for a sports trainer and animal trainer offensive and inaccurate. In Wikipedia we avoid grouping things be shared names, and in this case I'd argue that that's what sharing this property according to the French ambiguity in the term would amount to. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:24, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
- Hello, I think that in non-Quebec French, en chef is not used in this circumstance, for exemple, the page fr:Entraîneur don't use en chef and to talk about other coaches, entraîneur adjoint is used. --Fawkes d 21:18, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
What about assistant coaches?
[edit]What should we do about assistant coaches, do they need a new property? Also at least the German and English description differ here, English says "team manager or head coach", German description simply says (translated) "coach". I guess people had different opinions here what the property should be about. --Bthfan (talk) 15:48, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
- Though I guess we can use basketball coach (Q5137571)
or coach (Q41583) in occupation (P106) inside the items of such coaches. --Bthfan (talk) 23:38, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
About horses
[edit]Hello. A horse can have a P286. For example : Q7768577. Is it possible to update the constrain violations ?
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