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3 3 18:47, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875
[edit]You added a file on Commons as the "source", but there is no indication where that file came from. It is not typeset like an 1875 document, but instead looks like a modern PDF. Such modern files are not acceptable as sources of historical documents. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:50, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
- EncycloPetey, the original source came from the National Archives of Ireland website (prior to its redesign earlier this year), which had transcribed these texts into PDF format in 2002. Unfortunately, I cannot use an original version, as it is no longer part of Irish or UK law (repealed by the National Archives of Ireland Act, 1986), making it very difficult to find either an online or print copy.
- Hope this clears up some issues. Duck Dur (talk) 18:08, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
- Indeed it can be difficult to find sources. But a user-created PDF, made from a website page that no longer exists (and so cannot be verified), is effectively no source at all. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:13, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
- What do you mean by 'no-longer exists', the National Archives of Ireland page does indeed exist. I have found an original copy of this amendment act in the Kings Inn library (A lawyer college in Ireland), though, I am un-sure of the Domain Status. Duck Dur (talk) 18:18, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
- What is the URL of the page where you acquired the PDF? You have not provided this information, and indicated the website was redesigned, which implied that the page source was removed. you also indicated you were having trouble finding an online copy. Did I misunderstand? If so, what is the location of the page from which you created your PDF? --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
- EncycloPetey, I've just looked again at the 'dippam.ac.uk' page where I found the act in question (I mistakenly called it the Kings Inn Library, which is where I got some other texts for my own research), there though it is under a non-commercial restriction. Could I reference it, while not uploading it (Providing the URL/Web archive of it) or does it need to be uploaded to Wiki Source/Commons to be classified as a source? Duck Dur (talk) 18:39, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
- Per WS:COPY#definition (for here) and c:COM:COPY (for commons), non-commercial content is not allowed. — Alien 3
3 3 18:53, 8 April 2025 (UTC) - Thank you Alien 333, I have since found a copy of the original, text for the Public Record (Ireland) Act 1867, on the UK legislation website, I am currently trying to find the amendment act too. Duck Dur (talk) 18:56, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
- I have since found both acts, I will upload a copy tomorrow to Wiki Commons (from the UK Legislation Website) and will request for the deletion of my original source and replace it too on both sites Duck Dur (talk) 19:01, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
- Per WS:COPY#definition (for here) and c:COM:COPY (for commons), non-commercial content is not allowed. — Alien 3
- EncycloPetey, I've just looked again at the 'dippam.ac.uk' page where I found the act in question (I mistakenly called it the Kings Inn Library, which is where I got some other texts for my own research), there though it is under a non-commercial restriction. Could I reference it, while not uploading it (Providing the URL/Web archive of it) or does it need to be uploaded to Wiki Source/Commons to be classified as a source? Duck Dur (talk) 18:39, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
- What is the URL of the page where you acquired the PDF? You have not provided this information, and indicated the website was redesigned, which implied that the page source was removed. you also indicated you were having trouble finding an online copy. Did I misunderstand? If so, what is the location of the page from which you created your PDF? --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
- What do you mean by 'no-longer exists', the National Archives of Ireland page does indeed exist. I have found an original copy of this amendment act in the Kings Inn library (A lawyer college in Ireland), though, I am un-sure of the Domain Status. Duck Dur (talk) 18:18, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
- Indeed it can be difficult to find sources. But a user-created PDF, made from a website page that no longer exists (and so cannot be verified), is effectively no source at all. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:13, 8 April 2025 (UTC)