- Max Reger works (talk|edit|history|logs|links|archive|watch) (RM)
A non-administrator closed the page as "not moved", but the consensus agreed to rename the article per consistency. Also, the non-administrator seemed to agree with one person who opposed it. I'm at loss as I didn't know the results until now. Either relist or change already. Edit: One person discussed the closure with the closer, but the closer decides not to reverse the closure. George Ho (talk) 02:32, 25 May 2016 (UTC)reply
- Overturn (revert close and re-open / relist). At least one editor thinks the non admin close was not correct.
- I think the close crosses the WP:Supervote line. The closer should revert, and !vote instead. I think then, if closed immediately after, "no consensus" would be justified. The "Support"s are being reasonably harried, and User:Gerda Arendt appears to be opposing the move.
- I agree with the nominator that "Max Reger works" reads awkwardly. "Max Reger works ... as a musical composer". "Max Reger works of musical composition", should be Max Reger's works of composition". Definitely relist. Trying to be as concise as possible leads to these bad titles. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:49, 25 May 2016 (UTC)reply
- The discussion does not show a consensus to move. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 14:08, 25 May 2016 (UTC)reply
- Comment I gave my decision then and explained the reason again when an editor asked me. I suggested two more moves, which was to split the article into a list and prose or move it a preferable name which does not break the system already in place. The rationale is still at my talk page. --QEDK (T ☕ C) 07:43, 25 May 2016 (UTC)reply
- Your position is sensible. However, it is a tad creative for a closing decision. Why don't you, per WP:Supervote, convert your close to a !vote? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:16, 25 May 2016 (UTC)reply
- Overturn and move. I was about to open this RM myself, but George Ho beat me to it. I did participate in the discussion, but I'll focus only on the closing arguments. To reiterate my points from User talk:QEDK#Your RM close:
- It is not correct that there is no established convention: Category:Lists of compositions by composer and its subcategories have well over 95% of entries in the form "List of by ". The only exceptions were a couple of articles created by the same author as Max Reger works, Gerda Arendt (courtesy pinging).
- The argument that "the article is not a list" is incorrect (our lists often do have a small amount of prose), and in any case, it is novel – nobody in the debate, Gerda included, did not raise it, so it is not appropriate to list it in the close.
- The argument that the title is not confusing is also novel (it was confusing for the original poster, and I agree, although did not say so in the debate). At least, it is unidiomatic English.
- In sum, I think that three panelists supported the move to one of proposed titles (List of works by Max Reger) and cited WP:CONSISTENCY as the main argument (and awkwardness of the current title as secondary), while only the article's author opposed it. I appreciate that QEDK may also have a different opinion, but then they should have voted rather than close the debate. It definitely sounds like a supervote. No such user (talk) 13:08, 25 May 2016 (UTC)reply
- Some comments:
- To split this article into a table and list seems unreasonable, because the list is for the longest part only added details to table entries, - these details would make no sense whatsoever in a separate list.
- Very few people will ever see the article title, because most links will go not to the top but to an individual work by opus number, PAGENAME#no. The shorter that pagename is, the better for the purpose. Sorry that nothing was established for such a thing yet, - it's new. Asking again: what would you do about Busoni where we have both List of compositions by Ferruccio Busoni for the complete works, and Ferruccio Busoni works for a selection of major works.
- If only three people are interested in a change, why change?
- Perhaps notify project Classical music? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:41, 25 May 2016 (UTC)reply
- Comment (again): I dislike the fact that that close is being regarded as a supervote in its sinister sense when the close was editorial in nature. Lists only have content in lede when presented in a prose format, unless they are prose lists. Again, feel free to overturn my close, just don't call it out of procedure. --QEDK (T ☕ C) 13:59, 25 May 2016 (UTC)reply
- Overturn (no-consensus) I agree with many of the concerns pointed out above, sans the NAC concerns. In addition starting the rationale with "There's no established convention" seems to be taking WP:Local consensus backwards if there really was no convention then the talk page discussion is what matters. PaleAqua (talk) 16:16, 25 May 2016 (UTC)reply
- Overturn and reopen: Wrongly closed, QEDK should've left an oppose vote instead of closing. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:56, 26 May 2016 (UTC)reply
- Overturn simply because there was no consensus for the close in question. QEDK should have commented (and i might even have change my vote and agree) but as it stands this was an improper move closure. (full disclosure i supported the move to List of works by Max Reger). InsertCleverPhraseHere 04:55, 28 May 2016 (UTC)reply
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