Talk:Squatting

This does not belong in the "Libertarian" Catagory

A large part of the Libertarian Ideology is personal property rights, which squatting does not respect.

Primary Source:

https://www.libertarianism.org/blog/liberty-property

Secondary Source:

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/libertarianism/ JustAPoliticsNerd (talk) 20:26, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Whilst I would agree that squatting is not part of the make-up of modern right-wing libertarianism, historical left-wing libertarianism certainly disputed property rights, as discussed in our own article on libertarianism Mujinga (talk) 11:51, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 3 October 2026

Squatting → Squatting (crime) – There is no primary topic with regards to squatting position or squat (exercise). All get very similar pageviews and have equal amounts of longterm significance. Squatting should redirect to squat. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:13, 3 October 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 00:37, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Housing and Tenant Rights has been notified of this discussion. —RMCD bot 14:46, 3 October 2026 (UTC)

• While I would support a move away from the current title, I'm not sure "crime" is the best disambiguator. Maybe property? Jessintime (talk) 15:08, 3 October 2026 (UTC)

  Is there a form of non-criminal squatting? Regardless of one's views on its morality, the word squatting implies illegality. That's why I figure crime would be appropriate. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:18, 3 October 2026 (UTC)

  Yes, there is. Squatting is occupying without permission, but permission is not always required by law, and non-criminal aspects of the phenomenon are discussed in the article. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 16:03, 3 October 2026 (UTC)

  I see some examples of people inaccurately called squatters despite technically having permission, but it seems to be a small exception to the rule. Overall, a squatter can be evicted at any time because they are trespassing on private property. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:30, 3 October 2026 (UTC)

  That is simply not true. I suggest studying the subject more closely. Squatting is not always considered a crime, and the eviction of squatters can be very difficult in some places, and squatting can lead to recognition of both a legal right to remain and a recognition of legal ownership. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 16:39, 3 October 2026 (UTC)

  You're free to suggest alternate names, I would personally rather it be moved to any disambiguation than remain here. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:19, 3 October 2026 (UTC)

  Following Jessintime's initial suggestion, perhaps Squatting (property) or Squatting (property rights) or Squatting (occupancy) or or Squatting (property occupancy). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:28, 3 October 2026 (UTC)

  My second choice would personally be squatting (trespassing), followed by squatting (housing term). Squatting (property) would not be very good IMO, because it could be confused for referring to a singular property. (property law) is a possibility as well. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:37, 3 October 2026 (UTC)

  I had thought about "(property law)", but that doesn't capture all of what the article covers. It is not just about the law. It also discusses prevalence, political and social movements, slums, informal settlements, etc. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:21, 3 October 2026 (UTC)

  Is there a form of non-criminal squatting? Regardless of one's views on its morality, the word squatting implies illegality. / Overall, a squatter can be evicted at any time because they are trespassing on private property. But trespass is not a criminal offence everywhere (e.g. it's not in the UK)! And in some countries (e.g. the Netherlands) there is a long history of tolerated squatting. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:34, 9 October 2026 (UTC)

  Agree. Not all squatting is criminal. There are literally laws that account for squatting in a non-criminal way. YannLK (talk) 20:11, 3 October 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose: I don't see the need to change anything - Squatting has a monthly average this year of 16,856 views this year; Squatting position has a monthly average of 8,363 views this year; Squat (exercise) has a monthly average of 10,316 views this year. Therefore the current situation is correct. Mujinga (talk) 17:53, 3 October 2026 (UTC)

  When the views for squatting position and exercise are combined, they exceed those of this article. I think you have just demonstrated why this shouldn't be primary, since the criteria for that is "vastly more than all other articles' pageviews combined"... ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:56, 3 October 2026 (UTC)

  You started off by saying "All get very similar pageviews" which is not the case. re "vastly more than all other articles' pageviews combined" I don't see this at Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Is_there_a_primary_topic?. WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY states "There are no absolute rules for determining whether a primary topic exists and what it is; decisions are made through editor consensus, often as a result of a requested move"; as part of establishing consensus I'd be wanting to see the statistics justifying the proposed move and I'm not seeing them. Mujinga (talk) 14:05, 10 October 2026 (UTC)

• Comment Not sure about the inclusion of squat (exercise) here. Maybe an WP:ENGVAR thing, but performing this exercise is known as "doing squats", not "squatting". 162 etc. (talk) 17:19, 4 October 2026 (UTC)

  "Squatting helps burn calories both during and after exercise. One study found that squats burn about 35 calories per minute, aiding in weight management and fat loss. “Squatting also stimulates the release of hormones, like testosterone and somatotropin,” Dr. Kampert says, “which are vital for muscle growth, metabolism and overall health.”" ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:07, 4 October 2026 (UTC)

  It's a common name for the exercise in North America. Ortizesp (talk) 18:09, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

• Weak support no primary topic but oppose target as squatting isn't always a crime as it is still a civil thing in England and Wales apart from residential buildings. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:28, 4 October 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose as proposed. Not necessarily a crime. Moving to Squatting (property occupation) would be an alternative. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:30, 9 October 2026 (UTC)

  Someone could misinterpret "occupation" as referring to an occupation (human activity). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:10, 9 October 2026 (UTC)

Oppose. Squatting isn't a crime everywhere. The other proposed disambiguators are not very clear. Simplest would be to leave the article where it is. Or someone needs to come up with a clearer disambiguator. Joe vom Titan (talk) 00:25, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

Well, it would certainly help if you said what disambiguator you preferred from those above, or suggest a different one if not. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:18, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

Zxcvbnm, with respect, I think by this point it's worth recommending a read of Wikipedia:Don't bludgeon the process#No one is obligated to satisfy you and also the section below, "Dealing with being accused of bludgeoning the process" Mujinga (talk) 13:08, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

Simply responding to people is not bludgeoning, the intent of it matters. The response was attempting to find common ground rather than trying to argue... ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:33, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

• Strong support, squatting exercises are extremely common.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:09, 13 October 2026 (UTC)