Oppose - I hardly can resist babies but the ligthing is not good enough, especially in the head and face. What is that white thing near the nose, a flash glare? -- Alvesgaspar18:15, 25 May 2008 (UTC)reply
It is not a joke at all. They do have running noses, even adults. I saw it, when I was to Antarctica and sub-Antarctic Islands.--Mbz120:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Info - Any user has the right to use the FPX template if she/he thinks the nomination has few chances of success. That is a way of avoiding the piling up of oppose votes, or the nomination to be completely ignored, which represents an unecessary humiliation to the nominator and a waist of resources. Remember though that the template will be automatically removed with a single support vote from any user other than the nominator. As for the present picture it is true that it has very poor chances of success. A quick browsing of the FP archive will show that users are usually very demanding and hard to please regarding photographs of people. With nudes I guess it is even worse, as any slight suggestion of bad taste or less-than-perfect image quality is very quickly punished with a pile of negative votes and comments. -- Alvesgaspar11:44, 23 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Thank you for the answer. I knew about this improbability, but I put this image to be the socrate's fly.--Econt13:39, 23 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support I striked out the FPX template. Not sharp? Come on, I can see single hair. And the crop is a matter of taste, I think. --norro10:34, 24 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose as per ShakataGanai. If it is supposed to be "artistic", I fail to be convinced by its value, if it is supposed to be "informational", it has too many distracting shadows. --Diligent16:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose as per ShakataGanai. and lighting may be harsh • RohanT20:31, 24 May 2008
Oppose I like really this picture for its lights and its shadows, because it was the purpose of the gardener to get these games with sun rays and I find the photographer gives them back very well, but depth of field doesn't fit : closest poles should be absolutely accurately focused.--B.navez14:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support Schöne Farben, schönes Schattenspiel. Bilder müssen nicht unbedingt von vorn bis hinten durchgehend scharf sein. -- smial10:06, 25 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose The shadow detracts from the image and causes too much focus on the hedge at the back rather than the perspective offered by the posts. Perhaps another shot taken earlier in the day would work better? Cpl Syx13:47, 26 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support Amazing, you have an incredible talent for macro photography. Mind sharing with us your technique for such perfect lighting? --Calibas22:15, 23 May 2008 (UTC)reply
It's a paradox .. as more clouds you have the light goes better .. slight rain is perfect --12:52, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Info Moraine Lake is located in the Banff National Park in the Canadian province Alberta and is surrounded by impressive mountains, its turquoise color is caused by glacial water - Tobi 8717:37, 23 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment -- I didn't blur the background in photoshop. Not much postprocessing here except a little bit of contrast and saturation. The sky appears deep blue because of the use of a circular polarizer and the very high altitude. XtoF11:48, 18 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Thank you for nominating this image. Unfortunately, it does not fall within the Guidelines and is unlikely to succeed for the following reason: out of focus -- Alvesgaspar11:31, 30 May 2008 (UTC)reply
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Oppose Smeary NR. also such a destructively denoised edit should have been saved as a new image rather than over the original version IMHO. Mfield22:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)reply
So if you download the full size image from commons and compare it side by side with the one you uploaded they differ ? Sounds weird, why would there be any recompression of the images ? Do anyone know any more about that ? Did you view them in the same program, perhaps it might be a browser vs other image viewer difference rather than a difference in the file itself. /Daniel7817:13, 27 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Is this momentous matter? This manuscript is in Kufic script and translation of that is difficult, and there is no more information about this page in the source. These is less than 20 words and may be not a complete sentence • RohanT10:45, 25 May 2008
That is a part of Sura:9, Verse:33 (and 32). I add it to file description • RohanT11:01, 25 May 2008
Info Three, two, one, .... GO! This young paper wasp looks like leaving the hangar and preparing to take off. With her four sisters, she belongs to the first generation of this colony. Created & nominated by Alvesgaspar13:52, 24 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support Impressing picture, technically, and for the moment caught. Very reminiscent of some of Richard's pictures for the colours (which is a reason alone for support ;) ) Benh18:04, 25 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support Many insect photos are supported with poor focus or composition. This has both in ample supply even if it has a red bar in the background. -- Ram-Man01:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Thank you for nominating this image. Unfortunately, it does not fall within the Guidelines and is unlikely to succeed for the following reason: Too small, much < 2megapixels - Peripitus13:22, 1 June 2008 (UTC)reply
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Oppose It's got insufficient wow. The only thing of key interest is that this is an underwater shot, but it's not spectacular. Perhaps its a QI for underwater photography, but it's not FP material. -- Ram-Man00:50, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose - If this is the same photo, than it was upsampled (simple math). The insect is not sharp enough and the image is noisy around it (some marks of cloning too?) -- Alvesgaspar18:21, 25 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment It is a very beautiful image, but it is very noisy. Maybe somebody could do something with it?--Mbz100:56, 25 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Its a nice composition but there's too much noise from what looks/feels like HDR processing. Also chromatic aberration on the castle roof which may have been exacerbated by the same process. Mfield02:47, 25 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose A very obvious green tint exists on the edge of the rooftops, plus the noise as others have said. A pity as there is a lot of potential in this image. Cpl Syx13:41, 26 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support - Welcome to the bug-lovers tribe. I'm amazed how you managed to get such large DOF with a F/2 aperture, even with a 35mm lens. Marvelous optics, what lens are you using? -- Alvesgaspar10:47, 25 May 2008 (UTC)reply
The aperture was actually f/22. The EXIF is incorrect since I used a non-electronic lens extender. The lens used was a Nikon 35mm f/2D AF. --Kevincollins12319:00, 25 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment I noticed that the original was in AdobeRGB which is not ideal for WP/web use. I created Edit 1 - converted to sRGB, corrected vignetting and lightened background slightly. Mfield16:28, 25 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment I like Mfield's modifications. I attempted to replicate them on the TIFF original, preserving more of the rear wings, cleaning noise in the shadows, and eliminating the straight-edged shadow under the left front foot. --Kevincollins12319:57, 25 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Mantis is not sharp... bad framing (bug is too far left... out of focus foreground flowers on the right)... does not meet the current standard for insect FPs. – flamurai18:02, 25 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Question This is WOW, wow, Wow! But flowers on the right are distracting. Could you crop'em out? ...and maybe increase contrast between the mantis and background, this being much less important? Crapload18:53, 25 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your question and for the kind words. I tried to correct the problems, but I am not good with a photo shop. If somebody willing to give it a try with the original image, please let me know and I'll upload the original one. Thank you.--Mbz119:29, 25 May 2008 (UTC)reply
This photo supermakrosemkoy May bugs, which sits on listike dandelion. We see all the details of the structure as the May beetle (eyes and antennae) and dandelion. Rate it! Increase can be up to 100%, the quality will not become worse. Канопус Киля20:20, 25 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose There are so many better flower images that get trashed here. This is one is pretty busy in combination with rather poor contrast. A different lighting choice might have changed my vote. -- Ram-Man01:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment I wonder if you considered that this is a rare (on the A-list of protected plants in Belgium) wild orchid and not some six-of-one bred variety from a garden next door (I drive 450 km after work to go take pictures)? They moreover only flower for a couple of weeks each year. I've seen pictures of rare phenomena pass here without the least concern about quality. Lycaon05:41, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
I had not considered the rarity of the image. Personally I only rarely take into account such issues anyway. In the case of flowers, there is no compelling reason why we should favor a particular flower over another, so just because it is rare does not mean we lessen the standards. Many plants flower during a very narrow window, and rarity or difficulty to get to the subject does not change the ability to take the picture itself. In many of the other rare pictures the subject matter itself causes the pictures to be difficult. This is an important distinction I think. By no means do I think it is a bad picture, only just not quite enough for a featured picture. I have and will take pictures of rare plants, but that doesn't mean they deserve special treatment. -- Ram-Man11:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose The composition makes it difficult for me to see what's actually going on here unless I pay very close attention. Cpl Syx13:36, 26 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Question Can you please provide further information on the source of this images? Did you draw the ship completely by yourself? --norro13:39, 26 May 2008 (UTC)reply
I made this animation. I enjoy building 3D models and used one of my Enterprise models (I have pre-war and wartime versions) as a background for the 2D planes. Anynobody00:49, 27 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment The way the two planes on the right rotate during the crash is weird. Shouldn't the top plane rotate counter-clockwise and the bottom plane clockwise? --norro13:39, 26 May 2008 (UTC)reply
It does look a tad unusual but they actually fell toward the crashing plane when it destroyed the main gear struts closest to it. Anynobody00:49, 27 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose I don't think the explosion looks good. The zero also looks strange in full size, does it really need to be in the image. /Ö16:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Info A cicada which is called Froghopper (Cercopis vulnerata) in english and Bloodcicada in german. She is shooting/dropping waterdrops out of her back in the early morning. Why she did it ? I can only assume that she regulates her clamminess .
Oppose You might say that I have something against this author, but that would be totally untrue. I appreciate the perfectly uniform backgrounds, but this one is compositionally weak. If this was about a bug and flashy water drops, great, but if this is about the drops out her backside (where the focus is), then the composition is seriously lacking. The eye is naturally drawn outside the image and the focus choice splits the image. -- Ram-Man01:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Is there a rule about half and half composition that you could point to? Without a photographic rule to follow, this review is kind of useless.... -- 67.180.38.17204:08, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
A rule? This is a featured picture nomination. Rules are often very arbitrary, but composition is clearly important. Pictures are commonly rejected for numerous compositional reasons and my review is no exception. Any image that draws the eye away from important elements is usually considered compositionally weak and is a relatively common objection. I could find numerous examples. -- Ram-Man11:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Do I understand you right, that if Richard changes the text in the nomination and crosses out the thing about the shooting water you give support? --AngMoKio14:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Haha, no that isn't the point. The focus is both on the left and on the right but it is split by two strong visual elements on either side. The bubbles on the right are the most distracting of the two because they are the least important, but the split is inherent in the picture, not in any comments. Compare it to this one for what I prefer. -- Ram-Man15:27, 30 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose like the light, don't like the composition with the dead center horizon running through in line with the boat roof and the clipped antenna on top. Mfield22:56, 26 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Although the lighting was nice on the day, the post-processing has produced a final image that is very dull and dark on my (colour-corrected) screen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MichaelMaggs (talk • contribs) 16:24, 27 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Info 1896 oil painting by Ivan Shishkin (Иван Иванович Шишкин, 1832–1898), Russian landscape painter. - uploaded and nominated by Boleslav116:14, 26 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support Nice. I will add though that the focal point seems to be slightly behind the bug. The sharpest items in the image are the water drops on top of the stem, everything else is slightly soft by comparison. Mfield00:20, 27 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support pffff !! I really hope you'll keep contributing for long. Also, I'd have been proud of taking the plant alone -- Benh06:36, 27 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose I like so many of the images by this author and by others, but this one seems to be lacking something. Much of the image is out-of-focus. The plane of focus is off, with the tip of the plant in focus and the tip of the bug. I'd prefer a camera alignment with more uniform focus on the insect rather than "half-and-half" on each. The camera positioned too high. -- Ram-Man01:01, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support Nice, but just one nitpicking thing. Could it be renamed to soldier beetle on grass or something, since it isn't actually a bug. Sorry if that seems to be really anal. Chris_huh08:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Thanks for licence warning (and suppost, of course). I was practically sure, that I gave there Pd-self, but.... Probably starting demencia senillis>--Karelj
Oppose Still don't like the composition. Part of the problem is there is no separation between the boat and the land behind it between the masts. And since the hull and the stone on land are of a similar hue, there's not enough contrast. Plus nothing is completely in focus. – flamurai21:48, 27 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Thank you for nominating this image. Unfortunately, it does not fall within the Guidelines and is unlikely to succeed for the following reason: unfocussed, badly copped and noisy.
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Thank you for nominating this image. Unfortunately, it does not fall within the Guidelines and is unlikely to succeed for the following reason: underexposed, too noisy, distorted and has blown highlights and chromatic aberration.MER-C07:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC)reply
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Thank you for nominating this image. Unfortunately, it does not fall within the Guidelines and is unlikely to succeed for the following reason: not sufficiently in focus, especially for a studio shot
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Oppose I don't see what would make this picture featurable. Quality isn't very good, and it looks like a casual shot. Benh11:48, 3 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Thank you for nominating this image. Unfortunately, it does not fall within the Guidelines and is unlikely to succeed for the following reason: not sufficiently well-composed, and has intrusive shadows.
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Info 1896 oil painting by Ivan Shishkin (Иван Иванович Шишкин, 1832–1898), Russian landscape painter. - uploaded and nominated by Boleslav116:14, 26 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose like the light, don't like the composition with the dead center horizon running through in line with the boat roof and the clipped antenna on top. Mfield22:56, 26 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Although the lighting was nice on the day, the post-processing has produced a final image that is very dull and dark on my (colour-corrected) screen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MichaelMaggs (talk • contribs) 16:24, 27 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Question Can you please provide further information on the source of this images? Did you draw the ship completely by yourself? --norro13:39, 26 May 2008 (UTC)reply
I made this animation. I enjoy building 3D models and used one of my Enterprise models (I have pre-war and wartime versions) as a background for the 2D planes. Anynobody00:49, 27 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment The way the two planes on the right rotate during the crash is weird. Shouldn't the top plane rotate counter-clockwise and the bottom plane clockwise? --norro13:39, 26 May 2008 (UTC)reply
It does look a tad unusual but they actually fell toward the crashing plane when it destroyed the main gear struts closest to it. Anynobody00:49, 27 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose I don't think the explosion looks good. The zero also looks strange in full size, does it really need to be in the image. /Ö16:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose The composition makes it difficult for me to see what's actually going on here unless I pay very close attention. Cpl Syx13:36, 26 May 2008 (UTC)reply
This photo supermakrosemkoy May bugs, which sits on listike dandelion. We see all the details of the structure as the May beetle (eyes and antennae) and dandelion. Rate it! Increase can be up to 100%, the quality will not become worse. Канопус Киля20:20, 25 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Mantis is not sharp... bad framing (bug is too far left... out of focus foreground flowers on the right)... does not meet the current standard for insect FPs. – flamurai18:02, 25 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Question This is WOW, wow, Wow! But flowers on the right are distracting. Could you crop'em out? ...and maybe increase contrast between the mantis and background, this being much less important? Crapload18:53, 25 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your question and for the kind words. I tried to correct the problems, but I am not good with a photo shop. If somebody willing to give it a try with the original image, please let me know and I'll upload the original one. Thank you.--Mbz119:29, 25 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment It is a very beautiful image, but it is very noisy. Maybe somebody could do something with it?--Mbz100:56, 25 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Its a nice composition but there's too much noise from what looks/feels like HDR processing. Also chromatic aberration on the castle roof which may have been exacerbated by the same process. Mfield02:47, 25 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose A very obvious green tint exists on the edge of the rooftops, plus the noise as others have said. A pity as there is a lot of potential in this image. Cpl Syx13:41, 26 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support I very rarely nominate my own images, but I really like this one. This is a noise reduced version of the original nomination. About the high ISO, in this case it was needed to freeze the action, this was in strong sunlight at 1/8000 s. About the cropping, perhaps but I am not sure what a better crop is, please enlighten me if you have any ideas. About Kareljs questions: From Where: The melting ice of a lake. Why: because of gravity and temperatures above 0°C. :) /Daniel7823:23, 26 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support I'm not sure why people insist on not voting for certain images and giving them a chance, but perhaps this lacks wow factor for most people, but the color combinations are great. The value is somewhat limited here, but if it illustrates an article about this subject, it's doing a good job. I don't subscribe to the philosophy that FPs are only for those images which might be trendy or popular. -- Ram-Man01:18, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment Just a short info: The Dornava manor was built by the Attems family from 1753 to 1755 according to plans by Jožef Hueber. It is one of the most beautiful non-religious late baroque buildings in Slovenia.
Does that matter? This is not Wikipedia, featured pictures do not need to have "encyclopaedic value" for one article/topic. --Aqwis23:10, 31 May 2008 (UTC)reply
InfoIt is not an ordinary sunset. It is a rare w:Green Flashw:sunset.The colors, which the flash took during that sunset make the image even more rare.
Comment last time I withdrew the nomination, but this time I'll let it stay because IMO the phenomena is so rare and so interesting that it deserves to be FP. Thanks.--Mbz103:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)reply
I feel sorry for you that you were not impressed by the image, but I'm very glad that you were able to learn something new. It was the idea: Let the image to stay here for few days that more people could learn something new. Thank you for letting me know you did. My time was not wasted!--Mbz113:28, 27 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment - This picture was nominated in March 2008 and the old nomination section is now destroyed by the new one. Could you please roll everything back and create a fresh one with another name? Not a good idea to kill the reviewing history! -- Alvesgaspar07:30, 27 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Not because my heart can't be softened ;-), not because of the value of the image (it is a good picture of a rather rare phenomenon), but because we have to follow the rules for featured pictures that we have set ourselves. Yes value is important, but yes image quality is too. You can't bypass one or the other. Mitigation only goes that far. I know you do not really like opposes (nobody does), but I think you are just testing us again and again, not to soften our hearts, but to soften the rules. Most often your images are special and/or rare, but you don't seem to want to take the quality factor into account. Fp's are a nice recognition but not the only aim of uploading to Commons (Less than 2.5% of the 800 images I have on my gallery have reached FP status so far, and several have failed trying). Lycaon14:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC)reply
No, Lycaon, I 'm not trying to "soften the rules", I am trying to enforce them. Remember "A bad picture of a very difficult subject is a better picture than a good picture of an ordinary subject. A good picture of a difficult subject is an extraordinary photograph." I know I have no chance to succeed in enforcing that rulles not as long as a Marine Biologist opposes an underwater image taken under Antarctic ice anyway :=)--Mbz117:43, 27 May 2008 (UTC)reply
I guess at that point it is about time to add FPX template ;-). Could somebody do it for me please? MichaelMaggs, maybe you could do it?. Thank you.--Mbz114:46, 27 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support For me it is clearly a featurable picture for it is the best I have ever seen of such a rare phenomenon that is not easy to snap because of the special dawn light and short duration conditions. According to the usual standards of course it is not a quality image but why should it be a problem for a FP not to be a QI : requirements are not the same. FP is not just a QI+. --B.navez15:03, 27 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support Ah this time I was able to vote before it was withdrawn :) I do not think the quality problems are that bad. /Daniel7817:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)reply
If you really want to know why the quality is so poor, I'll tell you why, but let's keep it between the two of us. OK? :=) You can't understand why the quality is so poor because the quality is great. I mean it. Green flash photo, which shows not overexposed green flash and nor really dark flash, but reall y green one and some colors at the sky and the ocean at the same time are very, very rare. Most of the time the sky would be almost black and no ocean would be seen in order to get green color of the flash. Here's the story about taking of the image and here's the original file with the data you asked for: Image:Green flash in santa cruz original.JPG. Thank you.--Mbz122:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Neutral I understand that it's extremely rare and you have put a lot of effort to capture it. But the quality isn't impressive enough. --βαςεLXIV™13:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Question in general a great concert pic. Those are not really easy to make. But: Is there a version where this guy still has his feet? --AngMoKio16:03, 27 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Question What are the white specks that are particularly visible near the lights? Dust from a scanned negative, or stuff in the air? --MichaelMaggs21:56, 27 May 2008 (UTC)reply
I've cleaned the camera (lense, ...) before the concert and it's a digital image, so it has to be stuff in the air. They didn't use a fog machine, but the band before them used it a lot, and the stage are wasn't the cleanest place anyway. -- Cecil10:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Do I get any details about the problem? How should I make better pictures with that more than general feedback? -- Cecil14:20, 3 June 2008 (UTC)reply
There is no problem. I am just spoiled with this image. Taken by a pro, though. On the technical side highlights are overexposed, especially noticeably on his right arm. But that was not a factor in my decision. Crapload01:59, 7 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Info The "Facho" promontory in a overcast day. São Martinho do Porto (Saint-Martin-of-the-port), west coast of Portugal. Created & nominated by Alvesgaspar20:59, 27 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support Suggestion - boost the contrast some. The hill is kinda faded by the distance and alot of the sky is "lost". Otherwise. cool. --ShakataGaNaiTalk23:21, 27 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose It lacks contrast and not much wow (probably to the eye it looked a lot better), maybe a slight CW tilt (maybe not, that's not my main concern though). --Dori - Talk04:41, 28 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Info Back to the tunnel of São Martinho do Porto (St Martin-of-the-port) almost 40 years later. This is just a way of sharing with you the place where I took my best photo, it doesn't matter if the picture gets no support votes. In the "other versions" section there is a view of the tunnel from inside the bay of S. Martinho do Porto (eastern side); in the nomination below there is a view from the outer (western) side of the tunnel. I challenge all of you to: (i) guess whether the guy is facing the camera or the sea; (ii) come to Portugal, get to this place and shoot a picture in the tunnel better than this one. Created & nominated by Alvesgaspar22:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment The foot on the right (on the image) seems to point north-east, so that would be his left foot, i.e. he is facing the camera. --Stefan Vladuck06:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Neutral Beautiful photo, but I would have preferred the coloured one, expecially if the weather had been better. However I don't like very much the contrast among the sea, the sky and the clouds. --sNappy12:52, 28 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support This one is a lot easier to laugh at than that other one, although I would change my vote in favor of the version in color (no real reason for this to be in grays). -- carol (tomes) 11:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support Even in a bad dream I would not have nominated the image myself. No, no, no - too small, but as long as somebody else, who for sure knows what he's doing :=), nominatet it... Let's talk about the image size. As a ,matter of fact the size of the image hardly matters in this situation. The image shows what it should show : a very complex mock Mirage of tge setting sun, Green flash and just a litlle bit of sunset colors. Everything else is black (could not be otherwise because, if it were not black, both the sun and green flash would have been overxposed). It is a common sense, but I'm sure it will fail to the RULLS:-). Thank you.--
Oppose - The image is too small, and the actual quality of the image is low. I appreciate that green flashes are rare, but they still do occur, so it is perfectly possible for a higher resolution/quality image to be made. Chris_huh13:01, 28 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Right, the image was taken with a higher resolution and as I explained it was all black execpt what is shown at the crop, but whatever...The rulls are the the rulls aren't they? Thank you.--Mbz113:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)reply
I can understand that an image like this may not necessarily gain from a higher resolution but then again it could do. I didn't realise that you had cropped off black around the edge of the image. The rules are more guidelines (from what i gather) but this is considerably lower than the minimum resolution. Even if the size was fine i would still oppose as the image is blurry and i am sure a higher quality image could be taken. You said yourself that you wouldn't dream of nominating it, so why support it if you don't think it could be FP. Chris_huh14:00, 28 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your very good questions,Chris_huh. First-of-all I'd like to agree with you that a better, maybe even much better image could be taken (this statement is correct for almost all subjects) with the use of a telescope, for example. The question is, if we should wait for somebody to take a better image and upload it with a free lisence. I cannot agree that the image is blurry. Remeber, the image is of mirage and in order to see the mirage there should be something in the atmosphere, something that makes image look as it does, not blurry, but rather floating. It is hard to explain to people, who have never seen mock mirage of the setting sun in a real life, but it is absolutely amazing to watch! Yes,I said that I wouldn't dream of nominating it, but not because I do not think that the image cannot be FP (I think it could), but rather because after cooking in this FP nomination kitchen for a year or so I know what will follow after such a nominatin. I'd also like to explain to you why I supported the image - the only reason is to introduce an amazing phenomena of a green flash and mirage to as many Wikipedia readers as possible. Let's see. How many people know about green flashes? If one has never heard about a green flash, how he would ever find the article about green flash. On the other hand, if the image is an FP and displayed at the Main Page, one could find it by a pure accident and maybe one day see a green flash on his own. I hope I answered your question, but please feel free to ask me, if you have some more. Thank you.--Mbz114:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Maybe blurry was the wrong word, obviously mirages aren't pin sharp, but there appears to have artifacts (maybe thats a better word, i don't know) which make the image appear less smooth, if you understand me. Also, this is Commons so the image itself is more important than its encyclopeadic content, whereas Wikipedia puts a high importance on the images subject and its encyclopaedic content, so maybe this would be a better nomination there. ANother way would be to try to improve the Green flash article so that gets on the homepage of wikipedia. Chris_huh15:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)reply
I do not think I could agree with the statement: "Also, this is Commons so the image itself is more important than its encyclopeadic content" The Guidelines for nominators states just the opposite: "Value - our main goal is to feature most valuable pictures from all others.". I did try to nominate few mirage images at Wikipedia with no sucess. As I said earlier, it is hard to explain a mirage to one, who's never seen it in a real life. The Wikipedia voters also complained about image quality. Once it was realy funny. I challenged the reviewers to find a better image of sunset mirage anywhere at the NET. user Pengo accepted my challenge. In few days he posted a link to a "better" sunset mirage image. In his introduction to the link he wrote:"shooting the sun is difficult, but you can get better results than this one. Here's a link to a photo coincidently taken with the same camera, which I found because you posed the challenge", and here my respond:" Hi, Pengo, Thank you for taking on my challenge. By the way the photo you pointed out is not only coincidently taken by the same camera, but it is also just coincidently is taken by the same photographer (by me), and just because it is taken by me and not by someone else, I'll tell that the picture is much worse than the one posted here not because of the quality, but because the mirage was not so complex." So you see sometimes it gets really funny. It is a good idea to improve the green flash article. I cannot do it myself (not nearly enough knoledge about very, very coplex phenomena and not nearly enough English). I did ask the best green flash specialist Andy Young, if he's willing to work at the article, and he said that there's no use to put lots of work in writing the article, which could be changed by anybody, hwo has not a slightest idea what he's doing. I believe Andy is right.BTW may I please ask you, if you've seen another nomination of a different type of green flash few nominations down, and if you're interested in voting or commenting on the image? Thank you. --Mbz116:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)reply
That's only half the guidelines though... FP: Value + aesthetics; VI: Value only; QI: Aesthetics only. FP is for the most exceptional images on Commons. Personally, I only support images that show a professional level of mastery. Resolution is part of that. You would not be able to sell this image to many publications because at 300dpi, it would be about the size of a credit card. – flamurai21:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your comment, Flamurai. I do not sell my images, I give them away for free and they are published all over the world and all over the NET--Mbz122:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Is it just me or is it tilted? The image is of adequate quality, but there are strange haloes around the flags and geocoding would be really useful, too. (Also, what does "manually digitally combined" (image description) mean?) Freedom to share13:09, 1 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I think the crop the way it is now, makes the viewer look at the expression on the face. Since this is not wikipedia, I thought an aesthetically pleasing would be more appropriate. Thanks for taking time to vote. Muhammad11:31, 1 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Neutral for now. The crop is very good in my opinion. (A portrait is all about the face after all, not about the top of the head.) However it seems to me that the focus is slightly to the front: the eyes should be in perfect focus, but they look softer than the hair on the forehead. Still an excellent portrait. --Stefan Vladuck09:39, 1 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment - Not a good idea to use the camera in autoexposure for macro shots. In this case you would need a much smaller aperture for DOF. Also, it is usually required to identify the species. -- Alvesgaspar22:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the advice. When I keep a smaller aperture, (higher f-number right?), the camera shake blur increases. Is there a way to reduce the blur then? Muhammad11:25, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
You may well do without a tripode (unless you want to reach Richard's quality). A firm grip on the camera and a rule of thumb: use a shutter speed at least as high as the optics focal length. Most of my macro shots were done with speeds of 1/60 or 1/80. Another thing: high ISO's are not usually good, use ISO 100 whenever possible. -- Alvesgaspar19:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose I don't like photographs of two-dimensional patterns. Photographs don't seem to be the right medium for that. --norro10:19, 31 May 2008 (UTC)reply
ThumbWell! It is a vault so, not a 2D but a 3D pattern. Simple optical illusion given by the pattern, as you can see in that other picture. Regards Pentocelo19:22, 31 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Neutral - There is slight ccw tilt that should be corrected. Also, there is some geometric distortion but I can't say if the photo is to blame ... or the roof -- Alvesgaspar19:37, 31 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Great picture, but vignetting should be (easily) corrected. As Alvesgaspar said, some geometric problems, maybe original is like this. --Pom²22:35, 5 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support It's a pity the sky wasn't a bit clearer, but the lighting seems still good, picture is very sharp, and I like the subject. Maybe a crop on the top to remove some sky would improve it. Benh21:49, 3 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment - It's a great image, but the only thing I would comment on is the aircraft contrails - they're somewhat distracting. WilliamH13:29, 31 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Sorry, not FP quality. The perspective hasn't been corrected and even if it were the composition is not that strong, with for example the cut statue at the bottom. --MichaelMaggs09:22, 31 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Info Tiny parasitic copepod (egg sacks are just under 4 mm long) in the gill chamber of a Flounder. Created, uploaded and nominated by Lycaon09:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Never ask a line-cook about grilled swordfish steaks -- if I remember correctly, I did not even ask and got to hear about it. I think I would eat this fish. -- carol (tomes) 09:12, 1 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment - Good bracketing job, though I don't like the unnatural background. Was the critter alive? Please identify the species. -- Alvesgaspar08:12, 30 May 2008 (UTC)reply
The spider was photographed on a white piece of paper. It was - and still is - alive. The species is identified in the filename and image page summary; I added it to the info. -- Kevincollins12308:37, 30 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support I would like a natural background, too, but even this way it has high encyclopeadic value and good quality. Good job. --norro12:37, 30 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support Always a tough decision to make with your pictures (fortunately, we now have valued images, which should be your playground ;) ). I can't say nothing about the quality, but I guess conditions are mitigating enough ? What camera did you use by the way ? Benh22:33, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I've used point and shot Olympus stylus 720sw. Why? Are you going to start taking underwater images?--Mbz100:11, 9 June 2008 (UTC)reply
not that soon :) (but I'd give it a try if I had opportunity). I was wondering if you used some kind of box with your DSLR or not. Benh06:45, 9 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Neutral Artistically, I like the image. It might not be perfect, but it has a great emotional effect. However there are so many bug images already featured that this doesn't stand out as being exceptionally valuable. COM:QI? – flamurai00:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support I think the artistry is solid... It wouldn't be my first choice to illustrate an article on the subject, but it has high "wow factor" in my mind. – flamurai04:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support ...and this candidate is better than the featured picture. Of course, Richard has the better equipment, so his picture is technically better as far as it is sharp. But this candidate, otherwise than the featured one, shows the bee from a good angle in a natural position with good sharpness almost overall. Light is not perfect, but not so bad. The bee sits on a wooden bee hive. I like the wood, the color fits well to the bee. I like the blurred background. Only the dark part of the background is not so good, though its a natural environment as you often see such dark parts at the entrance of a bee hive. --wau>14:27, 30 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Info A view over blooming cherry trees towards the centre of the austrian village Fraxern in Vorarlberg. Rhinevalley and swiss mountains (Alpstein) in the background.
Support simply beautiful. And an excellent picture of the spring-scenery, espacially as Fraxern is best known for its cherry-production. Plani21:20, 31 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Poor perspective (everything is leaning tot the centre) and insufficient sharpness. There are also several really burned out patches. Lycaon21:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment: Look carefully by putting builgings in line with the side of your browser window. All the buildings are straight up -- S2367819:13, 8 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose I don't see what you see in this image to make it so FP-worthy. The image in itself is unsharp and the composition could be better (concrete blocks in the lower right are really distracting. It falls short of what I feel is an FP standard. Freedom to share16:09, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose My image of Mount McKinley is sharper but failed to become a FP. This image is worse, so it stands to reason that it shouldn't be promoted. -- Ram-Man17:48, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose This is less impressive than my failed image. I don't care for the bland composition in this image. It's rather flat looking with little color contrast. I'd like to see more foreground. Without a nice wow-creating composition, it doesn't sufficiently compensate for the natural unsharpness in this type of shot. -- Ram-Man03:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment At infinity focus the mountains should be sharp regardless of the DoF chosen, since there is no foreground. The biggest problem is that a smaller aperture should have been used because most lenses are less than optimally sharp close to wide open, which possibly this one is. Without knowing the exact lens used, I couldn't say for sure. It is also quite possible that the focus is off. -- Ram-Man11:18, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oops - not thinking straight here. At those settings I think the hyperfocal distance will only be about 100ft so the DoF is probably not an issue....focus or lens issues though the sharpness is not good - Peripitus12:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment I know if I had to choose between the two, I'd pick Elbrus. I would suggest Ram-Man's argument is not valid. The biggest issue with this kind of shot is not lens sharpness nor focus. It is miles and miles of air between the lens and the mountain. Barabas00:37, 3 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose There are 18 pictures in the category for this house (after I put this picture into it). One of these pictures has much more wow, and that picture is not the only one in the category that in my opinion is better than this. Haros16:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Although this is an important building, I'm not sure. At least not without edit, the black frame should be removed, there is also a watermark in the lover left corner. Haros16:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support-- Well, I love this picture, but I might be biased since I was the one that did all the photoshop work on it. I agree that it looks slightly overprocessed, but that was intentional. I thought the shape of the building and the way the light was in the original lent itself well to an artsy, almost almost surreal quality, hence the altered sky color and cranked up saturation. It's all a matter of taste, though. L'Aquatique22:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
And you still think that there should be only one single FP of a specific species? Don't get me wrong, I don't want you to remove this nomination or to nominate the other "version" for delisting. I hope you changed your mind about having only one FP per species. :-) --AngMoKio15:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)reply
You misunderstand my statement. I do not think there should only be one FP per species and never had. I do not think their should be FPs of the same subject. This image has both a different pose and it shows a different part of the plant. In fact, this is a good plant example in addition to a caterpillar picture. The line between similar and non-similar is not always clear, but this isn't the same exact caterpillar either. -- Ram-Man15:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)reply
..and what is your statement about the already existing FP of that species? I hope soon I can convince you that allowing only one FP per species is not a good idea. :-) --AngMoKio15:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support - In addition to subjects separated from their background, commons needs great shots like this of things clearly in their environment - Peripitus11:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support This is probably a POTY finalist (you heard it here first!), assuming it makes it with its technical flaws. -- Ram-Man01:34, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
It is a long story, but to make it short - the image is used in few locations in London including London Bridge at the posters, which advertise Kleenex. They took it without my knoledge and of course there's no my name anywhere at these posters. So they ended up paying me $1300, but not for the image (my images are free) - for copyright violation.--Mbz102:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Once in a while an image with universal appeal makes it to the FP process and is rejected anyway. This is likely one of those images. I will almost always make a technical exception for an image that has such high wow factor, because "wow" is what separates this from QI or VI. -- Ram-Man11:18, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Yes it is great, when once-in-a-while somebody could get away from rulles (fly free), but it is rare here.--Mbz112:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
May I please ask, if by any chance you've noticed that it is ONE-OF-A-KIND picture of common fish or maybe you saw few other like that?--Mbz112:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Every picture is one-of-a-kind, you're arguments don't cut wood. Underwater pictures, meteo stuff, etc are no different from insects, historical buildings or boats. A bad quality image of a rare phenomenon/organism/situation is still a bad quality image, and why should commons ridicule itself by putting bad quality on its front page? Lycaon05:23, 30 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Because when most people look at an image on the front page like this, they are not likely thinking "wow the technical quality is low", they are thinking "wow, this is such a cute picture, I wish I could get shots like that". If you want technically high images, we have a whole collection of QIs which we could display on the front page if quality was our main goal. -- Ram-Man22:56, 1 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment This photograph is so remenescent of an ultrasound of one my friend and her baby, an image that was the only one of those I ever saw that actually had the appearance of perhaps being something. I am sorry that the fin is not in the frame. Do these fishes and crustaceans and things tell you their names before they kiss your camera? -- carol (tomes) 12:57, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your comment, Carol. No he did not tell me his name, but he told me: "Enjoy me yourself. Do not be silly, do not nominate the image at FP". I should have listen. :=)--Mbz113:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
The reason of the nomination is to introduce a new underwater organism to FP collection of the same bees and the same birds. IMO there's no nearly enough underwater images in FP. Thank you.--Mbz100:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose I strongly agree with Lycaon when he states that an FP is showcased on the frontpage and has to fulfill some minimal quality criterias (but I don't say an FP is a QI+). Even not taking that quality aspect into account, I don't find the kiss is obvious, and the cute factor just isn't there when you look at the picture without the souvenir associated to it. Benh21:27, 3 June 2008 (UTC)reply
It was a rhetoric question, but back to more serious note IMO commons ridicule itself by posting images of absolutely the same birds and bugs on its front page, not by posting "low quality" images of something rare (I do not mean my puffer fish) and something different.IMO it is much better to have at least one noisy image of a meteor than four great images of the same honey bee. It is encyclopedia! It is not sharp, high quality images photo exhibit.--Mbz122:15, 8 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I agree, and this is why I vote for many of your nominations. If it were for the quality alone, I'm sorry to say that you wouldn't have got many supports from me (but fortunately, we are not on QIC here). There's a bottomline quality we shouldn't go under. Benh22:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Now I am lost. Do you agree with me or with Lycaon or maybe you agre with me, but strongly agree with Lycaon? I believe Lycaon and me stated just the opposite opinions. You supported many of my nominations!? May I please ask you how many to be exect? I know about one of a turtle, which is passing just fine without your support and that one , which probabably because of its "low quality" is FP in few places. Thanks.--Mbz123:24, 8 June 2008 (UTC)reply
OK many not so many (but I was away for some times last months), but several of them I'm pretty much sure. I remember a picture whom subject was crepuscular rays. I agree with Lycaon for quality issues, but with you for diversity. Your pictures always depict original subject to me which I find great, and I wish I has same ideas/imagination/opportunities as you do. Benh06:28, 9 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Benh, may I please ask you to drop me a personal message, when you are away next time?I'll try to nominate as many of my images as possible in that time ;=) --Mbz113:19, 9 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Dear Benh, I just was kidding (I always do). Please do oppose my images. I know that now you probably want to oppose my anemone jellyfish image very much. Please feel absolutely free to do it, no kidding I mean it. Thank you.--Mbz119:07, 9 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I was too ;) I saw your jellyfish nomination. I don't know what to do... :) and it's still the same dilema to me : good, beautiful subject, questionnable quality. Maybe after a night of yummy sleep. Benh22:00, 9 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Neutral - Nicely taken and detailed but the seed heads face-on view robs it of an impression of shape. I'd prefer more of the angle from my version (just ignore the DOF/CA issues on mine!) though perhaps not as side on as this other one- Peripitus12:03, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Obviously an alter ego of one of us! Shouldn't be very difficul to to find out (just for the surpise of knowing). Want a hint? -- Alvesgaspar07:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support -- Perfect lighting and good focus bracketing job. The structure of the leaf is beautiful. But I'll oppose it next time because I don't like the crop -- Alvesgaspar22:54, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support 'Guys, my camera was still on ISO3200 from yesterday, we're gonna need to reshoot, can we send another rocket?'. LOL. FP for sure. Mfield18:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose NASA evaluations are necessarily subjective, so from my perspective this doesn't have much wow to compensate for its low resolution. -- Ram-Man00:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Unless NASA has severely abused their funding and doesn't actually have it any longer, there should be a higher resolution image available of this technological 'feat'. -- carol (tomes) 14:15, 1 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Info In order to see a green flash a mirage must be present, but most mirages never show up a green flash of the setting sun. Yet a mirage by itself is a fascinating thing to observe. Just imagine the shapes of the miraged object are changing constantly right in front of your eyes. No two shapes are the same even during the same sunset.
Comment One more try, the last one with sunset mirage. Note to the reviewers: With a mirage as one cannot except to see the round sun the same one cannot expect to see the sharp sun. It is a mirage and the sun's limbs are not well defind in a real life, not only at the image. Thank you.--Mbz116:48, 28 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Support I know it's a bit blurry, but I think this is a pleasant artistic look in addition to its value. -- Ram-Man00:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Well, I guess there is no use to talk mirage, to ones, who have never seen one and probably never will.--Mbz112:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
I think he has a valid point though. I'm not sure I've ever seen a sunset/mirage photo of yours that is particularly sharp, and I don't just mean the sun itself, but anything in the frame. Its as if the camera just hasn't got a good focus lock on anything, or the shutter speed is too slow and it is blurred (although I doubt this is the case given it is a photo of the sun, albeit low in the sky. Its hard to tell exactly what causes the softness, but it is a bit of a problem for aesthetics. Diliff13:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Well, the question is how many sunset mirage images you have seen all together. Remember, when you opposed my very firs nomination at Wikipedia, I asked you to find a better one anywhere at the NET. You refuesed, but Pengo did. He found a "better" one (btw also taken by me). It was not any better, it was worse because the mirage was not nearly so complex. When one talks about the quality of sunset mirage image, the most important things is not overexposed the Sun. If by doing that one still could show the surroundings, the image becomes rare and great. May I please ask you what do you think about that APOD image taken by a famous Pekka Parviainen? It is one of the best (probably the best) image of complex mirage and beautiful green flash. Thanks.--Mbz114:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Would you mind adhering to a standard for indents? You always make it difficult to follow the flow when you choose an arbitrary indent to reply... Anyway, I don't know how many I've seen of yours, probably about 5 or 6 at a guess? From memory, I didn't refuse to, I just said that it wasn't the point, because it doesn't matter if there is a better one or not, the nominated one still has to adhere to minimum standards of image quality. I don't really understand why a photo of a mirage has to mean poor sharpness in the foreground... It isn't as though the foreground is far enough away to be affected by the amospheric conditions that create the mirage in the first place... As for that image, the phenomenon is interesting but the image itself isn't particularly good quality. In an ideal world, if you wanted to show the mirage better, you would have a lens/telescope long enough to capture it full-frame or near enough. Diliff21:36, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Diliff, I wound not mind to do anything for you (you know that), but I would mind taking the images of the sun with the scope and no filter. I would go blind, if I do. I'm sure you do not want me to go blind, do you? On the othe hand, if I'm to use a filter I would not be able to capture a green flash, if one appears. The thing is I'm mostly taking images of sunset mirages in order to capture a green flash. It is so rare and so beautiful that I would not like to miss any I could see. Besides I believe it is matter of taste about full-frame image. I really like, when I am able to capture the miraged sun in perspective, which also is rare. Diliff, I am absolutely sure that you and many other here would have done a better job (much better job) with the foreground of the mirage images. (I mean it. I do not consider myself to be a good photographer at all. I have 16 FP at Commons, but I'm not going to add myself to Commons:Meet our photographers. I really do not feel I belong there.) Yet the mirages are so interesting and so mysterious that IMO nothing really bad would happened, if until somebody else captures a better image of a mirage, FP collection would have one of mine. I'll be the first one to delist my image, when a better one become availabale, but IMO, when we're talking about mirages, a better image means not a sharp foreground and not a full frame, but rather more complex and more interesting mirage because the subject of the image is mirage. In an ideal world I wish FP reviewers would forget about litlle quality problems and simply wonder at an amazing and rare phenomena, but I guess it is too much to wish for. Thank you for taking your time to talk about the image.--Mbz101:39, 30 May 2008 (UTC)reply
I would think that with a slow shutter speed the waves of the ocean would necessarily cause blur unless one cranks up the ISO thus adding too much noise. -- Ram-Man13:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Guidelines for nominators state: "Focus - every important object in the picture should normally be sharp". The only important object in my picture is the sun and the sun is as sharp as posible with the mirage.Everything else in my picture is not important, it is just to create the atmosphere, but I do not think anybody cares.--Mbz113:03, 30 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Thank you all for the votes. I wish the reviewers would judge underwater images at a slightly differen level than not underwater images, but I guess it is not going to happens.--Mbz101:49, 30 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Question A very valuable image, but maybe it can be improved a bit: The border should be removed, the leftovers of the Army caption removed, and possibly the contrast enhanced. --startaq17:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Technical reasons: Bad colors. Bad composition (crop one of the two people). Non-technical reason: I want that feature imaged are nice. So it should be possible to start Commons at breakfast, and can eat farther. --Kolossos11:43, 30 May 2008 (UTC)reply
I'm not sure I understand - do you mean that all featured pictures shouldn't put you off your food? The thing is...not all beautiful images are valuable, and not all valuable images are beautiful. As far as I understand, this is a valuable image regarding a historical event, and I'm not exactly sure how many nice images were to be had at Buchenwald. WilliamH20:10, 31 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Info per feedback, the border has been removed and the contrast enhanced. The army caption is rather superfluous since we know it was taken by the U.S. Army anyway, and it only blemishes the image. The image has also been downsized, fixing the grain. WilliamH12:22, 31 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Info I gave it anotner try improving the colours. Noise is reduced too. The image still is Adobe RGB so when reviewing make shure that you have Firefox 3 with colour correction enabled or Photoshop. --Ikiwaner09:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Question Does AdobeRGB make sense at all for this image? It doesn't seem to contain any colours from the extended gamut. At any rate, AdobeRGB images are unsuitable for Wikipedia & Co., because Mediawiki doesn't handle colour profiles. I think there should at least be an sRGB copy. --Stefan Vladuck10:09, 1 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I do not agree. Maybe by end of the year MediaWiki can handle colour profiles. And your arguments ar obsolete. Unless there is some convincing reason I leave things unchanged when retouching. --Ikiwaner19:51, 1 June 2008 (UTC)reply
But what's the use of AdobeRGB for this image? All the colours of this image can be represented in sRGB. And sRGB displays correctly on current software. (Besides, considering the development rate of web browsers, it's going to take more like half a decade before at least the majority of browsers understands colour profiles.) --Stefan Vladuck20:40, 1 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support -- It is an interesting and in itself valuable review system where a good review requires looking at the other images that are available here, researching what the information being conveyed is and not necessarily about personal expectations of images. -- carol (tomes) 02:42, 1 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support For once, I admit I am biased;-) I think it is high quality vector graphics work well illustrating the intention of using the seal. "V" for value (value also begins with v in many other languages). The golden colors for something precious and valuable. Visual caviar when seen large, still recognizeable as a seal when seen tiny as here . The seal has been developed over several iterations based on feedback from this Community discussing it purpose thoroughly. Awesome! -- Slaunger21:22, 1 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose The purpose was to choose a seal for a classification system (of which I doubt the efficiency), not to consider the result is featurable. Nothing extraordinary in this good work. --B.navez10:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support Great work done, and the image can also be used for other non-wiki projects as a indication for value due to its understandability. Muhammad19:01, 3 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose what's next, the Wikipedia logo? + per above diego_pmc
Comment Not that I have researched this, but I think that the wikipedia logo has some copyright restrictions which would disallow it to be nominated here. -- carol (tomes) 16:00, 8 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Yep, 'some type', and there are blue triggerfish too and at least one Naso sp. but that doesn't help quality... Lycaon22:19, 10 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Thank you for nominating this image. Unfortunately, it does not fall within the Guidelines and is unlikely to succeed for the following reason: poor quality and no species are identified
Anyone other than the nominator who disagrees may override this template by changing {{FPX}} to {{FPX contested}} and adding a vote in support. Voting will then continue in the usual way. If not contested within 24 hours, this nomination may be closed.
Info It is a rare shot of Tide pool action.Sea Anemone,Anthopleura sola is in process of consuming a By the wind sailor Velella velellaw:jellyfish. By the wind sailor jellyfish are usually found hundreds of miles offshore, but every spring the wind brings them closer to shore and then California beaches are covered by bright blue jellyfishes. Sea anemones feast on them at that time.
Oppose - insufficient detail - too small original. original is 1.08mpx and upscaling does not add information. Not taken by the shot itself also - Peripitus23:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support This image was modified from the original to remove the man-made background and add a real background of the leaves of same species. This is somewhat analogous to focus-bracketing. See the original nomination where it failed to reach a quorum of votes. -- Ram-Man03:39, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I'm not sure that substitution of a background from a completely different scene is analoguous to focus-bracketing. They're completely different concepts! Substituion misrepresents the reality of the scene (I'm not judging this, just saying), whereas focus bracketing does not. Diliff14:44, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Yes, I understand that the scene is different compared to focus bracketing, but it is similar in how the areas of focus are specifically chosen to get an effect that is impossible to achieve through the lens only. Focus bracketing misrepresents the scene (to a lesser extent) as well. This scene is very similar to what it would look like if focus bracketing would have actually been used on an iris connected to its host plant. It's very hard to get an iris shot without the leaves in the background. The failure of my other nominations to succeed is the reason that I created this image, because no one liked the leaves in the background. Always complaining about being too distracting. -- Ram-Man16:35, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Yeah, I get that a lot. However, could you provide a rationale? High quality images of various species are extremely common FP candidates. For iris flowers, it is difficult to achieve proper focus because it requires high DoF which then renders the background very distracting. This image has both high flower DoF (f/11) and a pleasing background. It is better than most fake images that we feature in that the background is actually the same plant rather than a plain background (like the all white version). -- Ram-Man16:20, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose the composition doesn't convince me. I have severe difficulties understanding how the flower actually looks like. It might be better to take the picture from a different angle. --AngMoKio20:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Question Is that purple lining around the flower on the left an artefact from tweaking the background? It is quite conspicuous, even at low magnification. Lycaon21:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Yes it does appear to be an artifact of the process. At least this is getting enough votes to perhaps mean something, a change for my iris images! -- Ram-Man21:20, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Yes, it is part of the iris, but the way I did the masking caused it to eliminate the fuzziness, thus accentuating the effect. So it was somewhat caused by the masking. -- Ram-Man23:55, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose - lovely flower and I like the original. Unfortunately the masking has not been kind to the subject. Where there are out-of-focus petals that originally had soft edges that looked natural there is now a cut-out effect. Much of the RHS, and other parts, of the flower now have unnatural hard edges.... next to soft petals - gives a sort of green-screen effect Peripitus05:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment Your edit lost even more detail of the overexposed feathers at the top of the head, and the cyan colour cast is still there. --Stefan Vladuck10:55, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Thanks for feedback! ;) Hmm … (I’ve edited this page a little, now it’s easier to compare the images.) I don’t think its head is as white as #fff, I think it has a slight mix of gray–cyan originally. Anyway, I’m working on it now, I’ve managed to reduce the cyan on the white part. I’ve made the colors a little bit warmer. I really think this image has potential. The overexposure on the top of the head is a little difficult to fix. — H92 (t · c · no) 11:37, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support I think this is one of those "wow" images. It failed to become a QI because of shallow DoF, but I think its pretty enough to be a FP for the same reason I like this nomination. -- Ram-Man03:12, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Neutral Unfortunately it’s a bit unsharp on the back of the head, and under the beak, but the rest of the image is good, so I choose not to vote oppose. ;) (Nice bird, I’ve got a pic myself) — H92 (t · c · no) 08:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support This is a great image. This image would never win a "real" photography contest, but as a FP it is excellent for what we do here: High quality and value. -- Ram-Man03:28, 2 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Amazing, but low quality and small size and in the end I can't see much of the crater. (this is my last vote before 2 weeks off, here is the window for nominating pictures you told me about ;) ) Benh (talk) 00:06, 13 June 2008 (UTC)reply
This image is too dear for me to leave it here and that's why I I withdraw my nomination Oh and btw the "low quality" image is going to be published in two magazins, one of which at the cover .--Mbz1 (talk) 00:21, 13 June 2008 (UTC)reply
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Thank you for nominating this image. Unfortunately, it does not fall within the Guidelines and is unlikely to succeed for the following reason: badly framed, noisy and out of focus.MER-C10:31, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
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Info Tarn Canyon (in France, we use the word Gorge more often), seen from the point sublime. The point sublime is accessible by car, as you can see with the tourists on the left, but one can get here by footpath from below as well (we came from the left cirque).
Support The thing that surprises me is the quite wide horizontal field of view. I would never have guessed that from the image, it looked as if it were 150 degrees or the like. Well, never mind, my instincts were misled. (It is late in the evening - give me a break :-) ) Freedom to share21:29, 3 June 2008 (UTC)reply
This is why I've decided I'll include the FOV information for every panorama I'll make from now on. You don't always realize on landscape shots without "reference shapes". Benh21:31, 3 June 2008 (UTC)reply
that vote was from the friend who was with me when I took the picture. I told her to drop a comment for fun, but she voted. Benh07:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I understand if it's no wow to you, but I don't get the "too small to see details" point... You don't expect to see such things as cars on the roads below (1km away), or insects on grass do you ? this is a 10Mpix picture downsampled from an already very sharp 40mpix pic, I can't believe it misses details, and it exceeds by far the size/resolution requirements. Benh21:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Of course I don't expect to see such things as cars on the roads below (1km away), or insects on grass at least not insects "of a bad macro photographer". It is enough I see some blurry people at the both sides of the image. I expect to see mach more details in interesting rock fprmations. Your choice of lens is strange. You should have used much bigger zoom than 17 mm you did and take few more frames to bring really nice details.--Sensl02:46, 6 June 2008 (UTC)reply
The point of that picture is to show the whole canyon, not to focus on the details from the rocks (but I believe there are more than enough) ; 17mm was good IMO. I need 8 pictures at 17mm to get the 240° horizontal FOV ! how much would I have needed at bigger focal length ? What kind of details on the rocks are so interesting for you to see ? Benh06:37, 6 June 2008 (UTC)reply
NeutralOppose Belle photo, but the image should be at maximum resolution, and not downsampled, as per the guidelines -- S23678 07:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC) -- S2367818:11, 7 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I understand your concern. But I downsample for two reasons : improve per pixel quality, and not letting other people using my work without any mention of me/commons/wikipedia. I've found out that this happens... This is the only way I have to protect a bit of some hard work, and how I want it to be used. I don't make any money out of it (just to be proud of myself), but I can't let people use pictures that way. Now if commons/Wikipedia ever need the high resolution, I'll give it, with no question. Now I'll let you think, how many people upload 10Mpix/max res pictures over here ? Benh12:50, 7 June 2008 (UTC)reply
En regardant votre gallerie, je peut voir que plusieurs images ont été promues même si elles étaient "downsampled". Il semble donc y avoir un consensus pour accepter des images downsampled passé une certaine résolution. Mais j'aimerais mentionner que la protection de vos image se trouve dans la licence qui est attachée à l'image. Commons est une bibliothèque de médias libres et peut être utilisée par tous (en suivant les licences), comme wikipedia peut être reproduit par tous. Quelqu'un voulant reproduire une de vos image légalement se retrouve avec une image à plus basse résolution, puisque le downsample ne fait que réduire la qualité de l'image. Je suis coupable du même crime (downsample), mais maintenant que je sais que qu'il est préférable de mettre des images à leur résolution maximale, c'est la position que j'adopte. Je vous invite à regarder l'image que je suis en train de mettre en nomination pour être FP (Image). Remarquez que dans "autres versions" se trouve la même image downsampled. Cette dernière a l'air beaucoup plus claire quand vue à 100%, mais je n'ai fait que de réduire la qualité. -- S2367818:11, 7 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support Good overview, sharp enough for this size of picture. Anyway details are never sharp behind mist or clouds. The weather is typicall. --Niabot23:00, 4 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose, issues with artifacts and I'm not keen on the angle of the shot, it's kind of titled. Colors are neat though. Shereth17:15, 10 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Info -- This image taken by the panoramic camera on the Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity shows the view of Victoria Crater from Cape Verde. Since reaching the crater on Sol 951 (September 27, 2006) Opportunity has been making its way around the rim in a clockwise direction. Victoria Crater is roughly 800 meters (one-half mile) wide - about five times wider than Endurance Crater, and 40 times as wide as Eagle crater. The south face of the 15 meter (50 foot) tall Cape St. Mary is visible in the left portion of this image. On the right is Duck Bay, and beyond that, the north face of the 15 meter (50 foot) tall stack of layered rocks called Cabo Frio can be seen on the inner crater wall. This mosaic was taken over the conjunction time period, from Sols 970 to 991 (October 16 - November 6, 2006). It was generated from Pancam's 753 nm, 535 nm, and 432 nm filters.
Oppose It is a great picture: I'd put it as a large poster on my wall any time, but as FP it has now wow for me (too dark, too monochromatic for its size). Lycaon21:31, 8 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose -- I actually prefer the colouring on the original: to me it has more atmosphere, where the edited one looks a bit... drained (for lack of a better word). Sorry if the "oppose" seems harsh, but I really do prefer the other version. Anrie13:02, 6 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support Can't imagine how the monument could be depicted in much better way. The texture of the stone in the sunlight, impressive, illustrative... Just added more background info (sculptor & year from w:es:), also transcription of the text on the shield (which is undoubtedly hardly legible also in reality) would be useful. --Miaow Miaow20:33, 10 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose - Bad lighting and poor angle (from below). It would be a good idea to separate the nominations, this way it will be a mess to close it properly -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 20:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I thought a retouched picture of a same file was not separated and votes were for the last post... it's maybe too late to re-nominate the second one ? Stefdn (talk) 15:54, 13 June 2008 (UTC)reply
What do you mean? Mammals can not stay still for such a long time? How and in what way are insects different? Do you catch them drunk after a party? :-) Freedom to share15:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I mean that you have to creep up on them in the early morning, before they had the first coffee :-) ... if you do it right they remain motionless without fear. If you're near the mark everything else is simple (click!) --Richard Bartz18:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose I'm very sorry to oppose (you must not be used to ;) ) but this time I believe 1/4s was too long, resulting in blurry wings, this is obvious when compared to this (though I much prefer the composition and lighting in your pic). Benh06:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)reply
you cannot get this soft lighting with a flashlight, so a slight nail-biter at 6 o'clock in the morning is part of the way, ecpecially when focussing a nervous leaf-tip. --Richard Bartz09:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I'm not expert, but I think I get your point. Also, I didn't mean to tell you to use a flash, but to show how much details were lost on the wings. Couldn't you have used bigger aperture to shorten exposure time ? Since you got it from profile, the damselfly may have fit in the focal plane. and with a 40D, you probably can increase ISO to 400 without noticeable noise (?). Benh09:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)reply
ISO 400 doesnt work well with tone value priority - The leaf wasnt straight in the focal plane, so f13 has fit well. I found a version with sharper wings :-)--Richard Bartz10:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose I find composition a bit messy, and lighting a bit too harsh (flash ?). The out of focus wings don't help IMO (of a bad macro photographer !). Benh06:46, 5 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose The numbers are not explained in any language on the image description page; the svg has some inappropriate transparency in the body of the fish. Adam Cuerden19:31, 8 June 2008 (UTC)reply
When you discharge the SVG completely. You can it turns that transparency doesn't exist in the body. The transparency is alone an error in the jpg generated by mediawiki, The English version have the labels explains --200.71.162.100:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose ack Adam Cuerden + in the English version there are mistakes in the labelling complicating matters even further. Lycaon21:33, 8 June 2008 (UTC)reply
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This is a featured picture on English Wikipedia, and it's so unusual I decided to nom it here as well. It depicts a research station in Antarctica, with the Aurora Australis visible in the sky. It was taken at night, by the natural light of the full moon, with a 25 second exposure. I had nothing to do with taking or uploading the image, but the uploader indicated that this version has been edited to remove noise and hot pixels visible in the original. The National Science Foundation is an agency of the U. S. Government, so I agree with the uploader that this is in fact a free image.
Yes, I nominated this image before, but this is an edit that was chosen that will hopefully allow the image to rise up to its full potential. Freedom to share11:07, 7 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Poor foreground, noisy picture, weird perspective, i.o.w., bad quality. The only thing more or less pro is the strange lighting. Lycaon12:32, 8 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Sorry, I don't know. The springs go on and off erratically (from between days to between centuries), and plants grow during off periods, so I think I'd need to consult an expert in the history of this particular spring—Minerva Spring, I believe. Thegreenj01:25, 8 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose A good attempt, and it looks impressive in thumbnail. Unfortunately, at higher resolution there are large numbers of artefacts visible. --MichaelMaggs13:43, 8 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment Please consider the fact that the image is 4800 x 3500 pixels. You are judging it from it's quality (artifacts, details) when viewed at 100%. Pictures stitched with Hugin have artifacts from the manipulation (rotation, deformation of the original image). Have a look when I downsample this image to 2000x1500 px, (the same size than the previous and following candidates images), and you can clearly see that my image has the required levels of details and no artifacts. From the guidelines: "it is important that nominated pictures have as high a resolution as possible". If the artifacts and lack of details at 100% is the only reason why it fails FP nomination, if I upload a downsampled version of this image, would you change your vote? If yes, then we need to change the guidelines. -- S2367818:33, 8 June 2008 (UTC)reply
To me pictures from Hugin don't have artifacts you are talking about. If you ask hugin to calculate the optimal size before final rendering, it should get you the size where you won't see artifacts. Benh22:06, 8 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Although your image size is 4800 x 3500 it doesn't have that much information in it. It is bigger than it really should be, not much different from stretching a small photo to big size. The artifact should disappear if the dimension is correct just like Benh said. --Lerdsuwa03:56, 9 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Lerdsuwa, look at this, and tell me if there is no information. The downsampled image is even larger than other pictures where you voted in support. My image has not been stretched, so downsampling my image is not like stretching a small image because there will be a loss of information. Images on common can be used by anyone, and they may be edited for other purposes by someone who needs the maximum resolution he can get. Downsampling my image only for it to be a FP is not the way to go. If you don't like my image, that's fine, you can vote against it. But if it's because I have a too big resolution, it simply goes against the guidelines everyone is supposed to follow, and your vote should not be valid. -- S2367804:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment S23768 before you post anything on wikipedia or commons you should probably make sure it is razor sharp. There have been hundreds of photos rejected from featured status from not having details at very large sizes. I am currently shooting on an 400d with the 18-55mm lens and it is by no means sharp at full res. I usually downsize the picture to the limit where it finally is sharp. Just take this in mind next time you're posting a picture. Support nicely done. -- victorrocha00:49, 9 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support The Pancake Rocks in New Zealand. When the tide and waves are high, water bursts through the vertical blowholes. -- Chmehl20:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Info Nectarine (Prunus persica) fruit development over a 7½ month period, from early winter to midsummer; East Gippsland, Victoria, Australia. Created, uploaded by jjron - nominated by Muhammad -- Muhammad08:31, 8 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose needs geo-location and higher resolution (individual pictures need to be FP quality and are only a mere 1200×800 px!!). Lycaon (talk) 15:32, 15 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Why would JPG be better? JPG is a lossy medium, PNG lossless. Also, JPG artefacts badly at sharp transitions, which lithographs and engravings are largely defined by. Adam Cuerden00:00, 9 June 2008 (UTC)reply
This is a lithograph, which by its nature is defined by sharp transitions - note the frequent contrast between dark and light elements, particularly in the middle section, with the sailor uniforms. PNG handles sharp transitions just fine, whereas JPEG cannot handle sharp transitions without artefacting. On a chiariscuro image like this, JPG is thus a bad choice. Adam Cuerden12:01, 9 June 2008 (UTC)reply
So, lets say there is an extreme example of a photograph critic who was obsessed with artifacts, then png would be the best choice? What I learned that were the differences in the different formats and how they handled images, the thing that made jpeg so good for photographic use was the artifacts. Has this changed? -- carol (tomes) 13:59, 9 June 2008 (UTC)reply
JPG is optimised for photography of natural scenes and so on, not necessarily of artworks, particularly not chiariscuro ones. Adam Cuerden17:30, 9 June 2008 (UTC)reply
weak support - fascinating, though I'd rather like one that would better show how they spread on the rocks, one in which the entire rock can be seen, in order to get a more spacial view. This one looks a bit too "2D". Still fascinating though. Also it might need some extra crisp. diego_pmc19:16, 10 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose While it is really cool in concept... Eh. The picture is very noisey, also the camera in the middle with advertisement stickers on it still.. Lame. --ShakataGaNaiTalk07:13, 10 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment "A bad picture of a very difficult subject is a better picture than a good picture of an ordinary subject." I would consider a burning plane yards/meters from the photographer a difficult subject considering the risk to human life involved and the fact that, well, planes don't crash on aircraft carriers every day, and people don't climb up on a fuel tank that could potentially explode to pull people out of burning planes every day. Can't you forgive the overexposed sky? FP is not QI+. The emotional response to a photograph should be considered, as well. – flamurai11:17, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose I like historical shots, and can certainly forgive technical flaws in them, but the shot has to tell its own story with clarity. I didn't feel like this shot does a good enough job of that to be an FP. --JaGa (talk) 13:05, 15 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support"A bad picture of a very difficult subject is a better picture than a good picture of an ordinary subject." is all I need to say --Booksworm (talk) 11:27, 18 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Info The shadows are cast by the clouds. I was waiting for a clear sky, and shoot a few pictures for setting purpose, but after stichting the two versions, I found out I prefer that one. Will you think the same ?
Support Bien que tu connaisse mon opinion sur le downsampling sur les FPC, je joins les rangs. Très bon panorama. --S23678 (talk) 21:29, 17 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Focus is on the feathers in the back. The neck of the other bird in the upper right corner is distracting. -- Chmehl07:13, 10 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose (formerly FPX) Image does not fall within the guidelines, not identified, is quite noisy and has focal plane problems.Lycaon22:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Info This image was stitched from 14 segment × 3 exposure by Canon EOS 400D with Canon EF 70-200mm f/4L USM at 70mm focal length. It was downsampled from 21.1 megapixels to 8 megapixels. The weather on that day wasn't perfect, but it is adequate to show Wan Chai District. The lower part of the image cannot be taken due to trees and terrain blocking the way. Any edits are welcomed as I am not an expert in Photoshop. Thank you!
Neutral -- One of the better night panos (I don't like night views) but support withheld only because of a remaining stitching error (34.0% from left, 5.2% from bottom). Lycaon11:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose I do not like how the buildings are cut at the front of the image and a tight crop at the image top.--Mbz114:04, 10 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment: I live in Hong Kong; I can tell that photo-taking right in that location has to face a scenetic difficulty: there is a hill blocking the view in front. That location geotagged is the most suitable location for shooting Wan Chai.--dbslikacheung04:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I know there could be some difficulties in taking any photo, but who said that an image of Wan Chai should be represented in FP? IMO it is a quality image, but FP should have also something else, like a good composition, for example, which the nominated image is missing IMO.--Mbz114:04, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose, I'm no fan of the way the buildings are framed either. Tight crop at the top as mentioned is bothersome as well. Shereth17:23, 10 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose (for now I think). It's a nice picture, which reminds me this. I'd like to see the stitching error fixed too. I'm not really convinced with the HDR processing. See the red neon reflection on the water. There's also something wrong with the clouds, thought I couldn't tell exactly what. Did they moved between the successive shots ? (42 long exposures shots in total, they must have moved). Benh06:53, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Let me thank your comment first. Firstly, I'm now trying to fix the stitching errors, it is mainly due to inadequate control points in a few segments. Secondly, I believe the excessive red neon reflection is not caused by HDR processing, but because I made too much highlight recovery(told you I'm not an expert in photoshop :-) ), and I'll try to improve on it. Thirdly, I shot the segments in horizontal sequence. I'm sorry that I couldn't figure out what problem in the could you were refering to. If you are regarding the colour of cloud, I can tell that its normal.
FYI, I set the HDR compression to "0" in order to preserve the most detail for post-processing. Then I converted from 32bit TIFF to 16bit TIFF, and adjusted the curves for better contrast. At last, I converted to 8bit JPEG. --βαςεLXIV™09:21, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I see — anonymous votes don't count, but forged votes (which I didn't realise this one was) count for even less. Perhaps if the real Bofis were to vote... -- 217.171.129.7518:03, 15 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment I was considering changing my vote because I can forgive the blurriness of the buildings through rain, however a quick Flickr search of lightning skyline turns up a number of images that are much more impressive than this. Sorry. – flamurai14:31, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Info I disagree, the subject is the lightning is focused, its raining out, no other features were done to this image, the rain may account for your "noise" its an Xsi with an L lens at 400 iso. Additionally the Atlanta news paper published this photo yesterday --Evilarry 9:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Support per Mbz1, also image noise and out-of-focus-ness of secondary elements are not noticeable when image is scaled to fit my 1280x800 monitor. -- Korax121414:06, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Info Per request i have downscaled the image in an attempt to resolve your issues with it, and cropped any light distortions. please advise as to your thoughts now--Evilarry12:00, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Composition... frame looks cramped, partially because of the cut treetops on the left and partially because of the position of the horizon so high in the frame. Looks to me like there is an eighth to a quarter of this image "missing". I also don't like how the face of the building is in such hard shadow, considering it's the foreground of this image. – flamurai12:21, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Qestion. Lets say if this wasn't cropped, had more height at the top and maybe somemore at the bottom and there wasn't a shadow on the front of the house, would it then be considered then? Also what about clarity and qualityAdam.J.W.C.03:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment Sure it would be considered, but the question you're asking is basically, "what if it was better, then would it be considered?" The answer to that will almost always be yes. I won't comment on quality... that's better left to users with more technical knowledge. – flamurai19:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support -- Gothika has really outdone herself by stitching a panoramic shot and then reangling it to create full-frontal shot of the ceiling. While I am aware that probably the minimum 2 million pixels minimum is probably not reached, I think an exception should be made for this remarkable piece of work. See also other if you find it better. This image reaches the 2 million pix treshold. Gryffindor (talk) 11:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)reply
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Oppose Bad crop, image tilted to the left. Details are good in the middle, but not at the bottom and on the extreme left. --S23678 (talk) 02:55, 16 June 2008 (UTC)reply
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Comment The focal point of the image (the man's head inside the croc's mouth) is too far down in the frame. The croc's chin and the man's left hand are cut off. There's no reason for all that background above the action. – flamurai00:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Very strong picture, just by looking at it we want to tell the man to get out of there! However, I oppose because of the bad crop (as per flamurai), but I would have supported a better crop for sure. --S23678 (talk) 03:14, 16 June 2008 (UTC)reply
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Support -- Tatiana 10:47, 17 June 2008 (UTC) Please revisit and sign with 4 tildes (~~~~). Message left on talk page. Lycaon (talk) 19:23, 17 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment I don't see a guideline violation. Size and overall image quality is sufficient IMHO. I think the composition is the point here, not how much detail it provides. --norro17:34, 17 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment, You're right, details itself isn't specified in the guidelines. However, composition refers to "the arrangement of the elements within the image" (from the guidelines). Would you support a FPX about proportion ("the relation of size of objects in picture")? Anything to support the idea that the seadoo is way too small. --S23678 (talk) 19:06, 17 June 2008 (UTC)reply
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No. I can also remove a FPX template if it's used against its purpose and intended use. This is and will be a wiki. --norro22:19, 17 June 2008 (UTC)reply
CommentHere's the image, which is way below 2 mega pixels size and with the quality well below average. I know that most of you would think that Commons would ridicule itself, if the image like this is promoted and posted to the Main page. These of you, who know me long enough, know that my opinion is just the opposite: I think the Commons would ridicule itself, if no image of a meteor appears at the main page. I know that I am in a desperate minority here. That's OK. Before one of you would add FPX template, may I please ask you at least to go to zodiacal light article and read it. It is interesting IMO. I'd also like to talk about mitigating circumstances of taking images of meteors. As you understand long exposure is no help here. Meteors flash over the sky and gone in the same moment.So I used the highest ISO possible to capture one. The above image was taken in RAW format, but it is so noisy, that I decided to downsample it. It still shows everything it should show: Milky Way, VenusZodiacal light and meteor. Some images could only win, if they are downsampled IMO. Here are few images of meteors from APOD to compare:[1];[2].
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Comment May I please ask you,everybody, to tell me if you knew about Zodiacal light before you saw this nomination? Just "yes" or "no". It would be very interesting for me and it will not take lots of your time. Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 22:07, 17 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support (weak) The sight is simply marvelous and since its the only such image used in the article, I disregard the size. Muhammad19:15, 18 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose After a little search on google on meteors and zodiacal lights, and I quiclky found some images: [3], [4], [5], [6]. Although all these images are copyrighted and none would qualify, in my opinion as a FP because they are too small, it's giving me a little idea of an image quality we could expect from astronomical pictures. This picture fails FP in my opinion because of blurry stars, size, overexposed zodiacal light and distracting element in the bottom right corner. It is the best picture on commons about those 2 phenomenons, but it's still below the standard criterias. And yes, I looked at both french and english articles on zodiacal light. --S23678 (talk) 21:59, 18 June 2008 (UTC)reply
None of the very nice pictures you refer to illustrates all four features (Venus, Milky Wau, meteor and Zodiacal light) in perspective and together as my image does, but who cares? Stars in my image are not blurry. It calls star trails, you know because the Earth is turning and the shutter was opened for some time, but who cares? The fireballs and meteors at the images you refer to were produced by different, more active meteor showers Perseid and Leonids, but who cares? One cannot see neither Milky Way nor Zodiacal light from the Northern Hemisphere during Leonids, but who cares?Zodiacal light are not overexposed, but who cares? You know there are opposes and opposes. Some are OK and some hurt. That's why I'd better now before one more of these opposes.Thank you very much, Muhammad. Your support was very, very important for me. Thank you, Norro and Leo Johannes.
I will not argue on your statements as we clearly have different POV and it would lead nowhere. But I'll confirm to you that my decision was long thought. Yourself admitted some defaults on your picture. As a voter, I need to take a decision in the end: are the good sides beating the bad sides? And I took a decision based on that question as much as you took a decision when you decided to nominated your picture. Now, you seem to find my comment hard, but how can't I state many arguments to support my choice, since you stated a whole bunch of arguments in favour of your picture in the introduction (only 1 argument from me would have been countered as "not enough" since your picture is a special case)? Finally, when you nominate a picture here, you must accept that people will not have the same opinions than you. You can discuss their choice, especially if some are debatable, but in the end, if my opinions are considered out of the track, the rest of the voters can counter it. If you expect no opposition to some of your pictures, I'm not the one to blame. I'm sorry if my comments hurted you, I have no desire to do so, but I'll keep using my right to vote. --S23678 (talk) 01:16, 19 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Thank you for nominating this image. Unfortunately, it does not fall within the Guidelines and is unlikely to succeed for the following reason: extremely noisy, has a warped horizon and blown sky.
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Comment Strange that this image was uploaded by a user whose username is almost, but not quite, the same as the uploader. Or was that a speling mistrake? :-) -- Korax1214 (talk) 01:32, 18 June 2008 (UTC)reply
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Info Low resolution (<1MP). It's a great subject, but the standard for arthropod images has risen significantly since this was promoted. There are a number of active Commons photographers who could take a better photo of this subject. (Original nomination)
Keep Have to agree with Richard. I remember how I was totally amazed when first looking at this picture and I still am. I think, we should keep it although it doesn't meet todays guidelines. --norro08:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep Size is a non-issue for older FPs for me. The technologies were different back then. A downsample in 2004 and a downsample now are two different things. Stop picking on size if the image is good. Freedom to share (talk) 13:51, 20 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment I think even size should be an issue for older FPs, but within limits. A top quality 1024x768 photo should IMO still be kept anno 2008, but I doubt it will suffice anno 2010. Likewise I think 800x600 should be delisted nowadays regardless of quality. There has to be a limit somwhere. Lycaon (talk) 08:34, 21 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Info It got featured in 2005 but looking at this image today makes me wonder if it still deserves the status it has. I especially dislike the overexposed sky. (Original nomination)
Delist I think that an average Machu Picchu image I have just uploaded from flickr is better or if it is too small, there are bigger but nicer Machu Picchu photos on commons.--Avala (talk) 20:09, 14 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep I think it is ok to keep it. Considering the low hanging clouds, the sky could and likely was gray, and thus properly exposed. Crapload (talk) 04:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Info Normally I would overlook the size here, but this pales in comparison to Image:San Diego Reflecting Pond.jpg. Consider not only resolution, but the crop (this photo includes the shore on the bottom and a great deal of sky on top) and the "wow" factor. No reason to have two featured night shots of the same skyline when one is so far superior. I know it's sad to delist the first FP, but it really shows how far the community has come. (Original nomination; Previous dislisting attempt (never closed; no votes but nominator's))
Comment Rectilinear isn't the only projection type out there, you know. On a picture this size a pure rectilinear will cause distortion on the edges. But if people think that would be better, I could try a restitch. --JaGa02:07, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
That depends how you define distortion. If you want to look at things in terms of equidistance, rectilinear projections will be distorted no matter what. But to the human eye, rectilinear is undestorted and the prefered projection for photographs with straight lines that look unnatural with a curvilinear projection IMO. Thegreenj02:44, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
A big part of the problem is that the tilt makes the distortion seem worse since it makes the wings of the building asymmetrical. The curve on the left side is more severe than the right. – flamurai02:47, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Question Well, I can certainly restitch. I was attempting to mitigate the distortion in the corners, but if it detracts from the overall perception I'll change it. BUT, before I go to the trouble - would anyone actually vote for this thing if it were ram-rod straight? --JaGa05:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment I'd like to say something here. I think flamu's use of the 24-Hour Template of Shame was overly harsh. Yes, the building has a roughly 0.1 degree tilt. And yes, my attempt to mitigate distortion around the edges has been unpopular. But considering the use of "barrel distortion" to describe a stitched panorama, I'm thinking a few seconds' glance at the thumbnail was all that went into the decision. My guess is he glanced at the picture, didn't recognize my name (and we all know how important authorship is in FP), jumped to the conclusion this was just some tourist snapshot, and slapped it with the template. Considering that the Template of Shame basically announces, "wow, this picture is so obviously bad it should be removed as quickly as possible" I think an editor should use more discretion before labeling someone else's work with this humiliating tag. --JaGa (talk) 16:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I'm sorry if it hurt your feelings, but I thought the purpose of the template was to avoid the humiliation of a string of oppose votes. Maybe this was borderline. I admit I don't recognize your user name. As far as the photo goes, how it was made is not that relevant. FP is not to reward technical excellence... that's QI. When I'm rating, I don't think, "well, that's a nice job for a stitched panorama of a building", I think, "it's not aesthetically pleasing and it's making me slightly dizzy". I did not just glance at the thumbnail. I looked at the full size image, looked for comparable images in the FP gallery plus the web and flickr, and then tried to find other shots of long buildings to see if the distortion was normal. But it's not. Sorry if I used the wrong term, as IANAP, but that's what the result looks like. Image:MuseeDOrsay.jpg, Image:Image-Schloss Nymphenburg Munich CC.jpg, and Image:Palace of Westminster, London - Feb 2007.jpg set the standard for FPs of buildings like this, and this doesn't meet that standard. But anyway, it's been over 35 hours, and the template hasn't been removed... so was it really too harsh? – flamurai16:46, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
So any work of lesser quality than photographers like Sanchezn, Richard Bartz, and Diliff (your examples) are Template of Shame-worthy? C'mon dude, you completely overstepped the spirit of that template. That template should only be used for the very worst posts, and my picture isn't THAT bad. I'll never be as good as the photographers you cited. I know that. But my not achieving their level doesn't justify your attitude. And it certainly makes me not want to ever post here again. I'm just saying, use a little discretion before you decide to speak for the entire forum next time. --JaGa (talk) 17:18, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
This is how it should have went. You Oppose for tilt and "barrel distortion". Other editors chime in. I hurry off and fix the errors, and post a second edit, and a proper round of voting starts on that new edit. That way I at least have a chance to fix the picture. You should aim for that in the future, not the nuclear option. --JaGa (talk) 17:34, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
You're taking this a little too harsh. When your work is being critiqued, take it for what it is and nothing else: a reaction to one photo, not your skill as a photographer. Regarding my "attitude": I used to get pissed off at the person who critiqued me, thinking I was better than them, they didn't know what they were talking about, they were an asshole... but the harsher someone feels they can be in a critique, the more useful it is. Just take the information, parse it, and use what you can to improve. Instead of that, you immediately came back with a snarky comment ("rectilinear isn't the only project type out there, you know"), which is just a waste of energy. I used the template because I thought the image had no chance of succeeding... simple as that. You still have a chance to fix the photo. The template doesn't change that. – flamurai18:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I'm willing to admit I'm sensitive. That template speaks for the entire group, and should only be used in extreme and obvious cases. Using the template on my image implies that it belongs to that "extremely and obviously bad" category, and I resent it. Simple as that. But are you willing to admit you may have jumped the gun with the template? I see no advantage of using the template instead of the way I described in the "this is how it should have went" section above. Your Oppose didn't bother me (except your terminology did make me doubt your knowledge, I'll admit that); the template was an insult and a complication, because now I don't know if I should add a new edit to the existing image, or withdraw and submit a new one. A lot of submitters would feel the same way. You could have delivered your criticism without the template, and more editors would have commented as well, so what was gained? I'll I'm asking is that you admit you might have overdone it, and that it might be better to exercise restraint in the use of the template. --JaGa (talk) 19:41, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I wouldn't say it's in the "extremely and obviously bad" category, but that it has an "extreme and obvious flaw" that would prevent it from passing. I'll be more judicious with my use of the template on subjective issues in the future. (p.s., if you crop it tighter at the bottom the distortion is less obvious since it takes away the extreme curve of the sidewalk and palm trees) – flamurai20:32, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
This is creating a lot of argument for a little problem. By WP:IAR I say fufill the author's wishes and let it run the course; it's not worth the discussion for something this trivial. Thegreenj (talk) 03:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Composition and background issues. It's not as if it were a shot that was overly hard to take, like a fighter crashing into an aircraft carrier. The photographer had time to prepare. Freedom to share06:15, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Not a very good image, Einstein is not looking at the camera or at the judge. I also think this is not an important moment in history, the Einstein-Szilárd letter having been written more than 1 year earlier. The american citizenship of Einstein did not had an important impact on his work or in history, so it's not a rare or a very important image. -- S23678 (talk) 16:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment I am nominating two similar images. I know according to the rules both can't be featured, but I am not sure which is better. – flamurai11:55, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support I love how the clouds behind Wayna Picchu create such depth and separation between foreground and background. – flamurai11:55, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose--I like the image and colors, excellent framing, unfortunately grainy, bad focus, most likely attributed to the fact you are using a point and shoot.Evilarry12:06, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment I am nominating two similar images. I know according to the rules both can't be featured, but I am not sure which is better. – flamurai11:55, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I think I misremembered/misinterpreted this rule: "Two different versions of the same picture cannot both be featured, but only the one with the higher number of votes." – flamurai13:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support I love how the clouds behind Wayna Picchu create such depth and separation between foreground and background. – flamurai11:55, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose--I like the image and colors, unfortunately the focus is on the back right part of the mountain, and the top and surrounding areas are really blurryEvilarry12:05, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose -- Nothing like a big dump truck in front of the white house to make a photo beautiful. DOF issues on the trees, is this image a stich? --Evilarry12:01, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
It is not my job to make the subjects look as beautiful as possible. My intention is documentation for an encyclopedia. And yes, it is a stitch. --Dschwen17:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Ok then i stand by my earlier comment, the stich composes images that are out of focus and the image doesn't flow. --Evilarry19:01, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I didn't use a tripod :-). It was a bright sunny day, and I now have a feel for the location of the entrance pupil of the lens i used. --Dschwen22:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support, nice highly detailed image, one of few I've seen where you can see the folks on the roof. The Chipper and trucks are part of reality and this image documents reality well while being both interesting and attractive. As an aside, the descriptions are translated and the image is well categorized, tagged, and geocoded. Good work. --Gmaxwell (talk) 14:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose I voted for on QIC, but I also think it misses wow. Although the subject is clearly stated as lawn, I'd have prefered the white house to take up a bit more space. Benh (talk) 23:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose underwater shots are for sure not easy. Especially quality-wise. I don't oppose because of quality but because of composition. It doesn't convince me. --AngMoKio (talk) 20:03, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Well, we both (the crab and me) are absolutely convinced that it would have been better, if FP had an image of a crab taken underwater, in the wild and in his natural habitat than twoimages of absolutely the same bird taken probably in a zoo,if for nothing else at least for a diversity you know. Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 21:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I only judge pictures by what I see on it - no matter about the species and if we have it as FP already or not. And this picture has (for me) no wow. My oppose is not some kind of revenge or sth....so I don't really know why you bring up that eagle topic again. I am also really not keen on starting a personal fight with you... --AngMoKio (talk) 07:29, 16 June 2008 (UTC)reply
You are right, it is not a good place to bring up the issue with the FP images of the same subjects. Sorry about this.--Mbz1 (talk) 22:40, 19 June 2008 (UTC)reply
The image is quite unique and not because of the subject, but because Lycaon was the first one to support it! I do not care,if the nomination is to pass or to fail (of course I wish it to pass), but in any case I would preserve it as a very rare and very dear to me phenomena. Thank you, Hans!--Mbz1 (talk) 23:38, 15 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Simonizer; also picture should have been taken from a bit further away if possible, the tower looks as if it's falling over backwards (a common fault in shots of tall buildings) -- Korax1214 (talk) 10:20, 20 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Thank you for nominating this image. Unfortunately, it does not fall within the Guidelines and is unlikely to succeed for the following reason: poorly framed (subject cut off) and distorted.MER-C12:52, 20 June 2008 (UTC)reply
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Cannot agree with your oppose reason. Pamukkale is a beautiful place and all views are interesting. Higher view would have been better in order to show the pools, but worse in order to show limestone details as it is clearly seen from the image, which is offered for the comparaison. Thanks.--Mbz113:00, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
to see the limestone better. You want to oppose the image because of the sky? Please feel free. At least it is a better reason than "does not show the pools." Thanks.--Mbz113:31, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support the 5th and promoting vote :). I'm not very good either at processing pic, but would you mind giving me the original ? I'd like to see what I can do. Benh06:26, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
OOps, sorry for missing the link. I'll be away for 2 weeks from tonight... I'll give it a try when I come back. Benh (talk) 23:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment If somebody wants to give it a try with the original, please let me know and I'll upload one.--Mbz113:57, 11 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment I'm posting the image full-size. Microscope cameras, just so you know, are an extremely expensive item compared even to digital SLRs, so demanding a large megapixel size heavily restricts the already-small field of micro-imaging, at least when it comes to micro-imaging. The image is 1.44 Mp, so its only a little under the 2 that is typically asked for. I'll have to read up on the "featured image" vs "valued image" difference before I can comment on that – I didn't even know about the latter category. Peter G Werner (talk) 18:44, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Hmm.. you might have a point about repeatability. I haven't seen very many of this kind of pictures on FPC or on Commons at all (mostly small ones), so I was under the impression that they weren't very easy, especially not high-resolution ones. If it's true that extremely expensive equipment is necessary to get higher resolution pictures (that are reasonably sharp), should we really wait for someone with that kind of equipment to "repeat" this picture? Is that likely to happen, ever? --Aqwis (talk) 18:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)reply
It is true that those cameras are expensive (about €5000) for a Peltier cooled camera, but these are often found in labs, paid for by the institute (as in my lab). They have resolutions of up to 12Mpx (Axiocam HR, which is of course considerably more expensive). Suitable microscopes also range from €10,000 upwards. Lycaon (talk) 20:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support Perhaps if we got a lot of FP candidates for microscopic things I'd be more selective, but as it currently stands they're quite rare and always lower resolution. Nice shot. --Calibas (talk) 16:28, 14 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Info amazing how people can just state ridiculous comments with no backing, how are these shadows "unnatural" its a photo and therefore everything is natural.Evilarry (talk) 04:43, 13 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I originally thought it was an HDR photo, and that the "unnatural" shadows were an effect of that. However, I still think the shadows look a bit odd despite not being "unnatural" - this is probably caused by the lighting used. Not every building looks as good at night as it does at day, and I think this is a good example of that. In any case, I feel that the high levels of noise in the shadows alone is reason enough to oppose. --Aqwis (talk) 10:15, 15 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose The picture itself is good, but the subject is dull: all concrete gray, no contrast, no colors, no wow. May be better during the day, with the vegetation color. --S23678 (talk) 03:04, 16 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support Very simple and elegant. Possibly the best part of this is the razor thin DOF which captures a crisp line of grass at the bottom. victorrocha (talk) 15:08, 13 June 2008 (UTC)reply
NeutralOppose Very nice composition but not sharp enough(I don't care the stalk is out of focus but the flower is too blurry.) and overexposure and DOF is a little shallow. --Laitche (talk) 19:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)--Laitche (talk) 19:14, 14 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support At 11 Mpx, there's no need to argue about the little blur, as it's better to have a blurry 11 Mpx image than a sharp downsampled 3 mpx. I don't usually vote for flowers because I find that borring, but this one has a little something that makes it really great. --S23678 (talk) 03:25, 16 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment I like this pic very much but the flower of the original is so blurry then I couldn't support the original.... -- Laitche (talk) 13:22, 15 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment I want to make sure there is no understanding problem. Only you knows if your vote was made in accordance with the guidelines. I made a supposition with the facts that I had, but I never asked you to remove your vote. If you did not followed the guidelines, thank you for withdrawing your vote. However, if you did followed the guidelines and your vote was based on it, you have the right to keep your vote and encouraged to do so. --S23678 (talk) 21:14, 22 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose The standard for FP panoramas is significantly higher. And as a side note, politicking is against the spirit of FPC. – flamurai19:09, 13 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Per above: no wow and a sad wave of 9 bias (IMO) support votes in the first 65 minutes of the voting. Please don't destroy the FPC process by voting for friends. --S23678 (talk) 15:49, 22 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support Nice image, good quality scan at first sight (yeah, first sight shouldn't count but it's Euro 2008, Sweden-Spain is on, the game is amazing and it's half-time) Freedom to share (talk) 16:53, 14 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support This one certainly leaves me speechless. Also, not a single bit of noise! While it doesn't meet the typical resolution requirements, I am quite confident that increased resolution would not improve it in the slightest. --Gmaxwell (talk) 03:17, 14 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support This is communing with nature at its finest. Who needs fancy macros of insects when a simple image of the most basic building blocks of Earth will do? Arria Belli | parlami03:25, 14 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support This is the epitome of what all rocks aspire to be. Also, it evokes feelings of stability and permanence, which are very rock-like qualities. Brynn(talk)03:33, 14 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment Surely the above is actually a guideline rather than a hard-and-fast rule? Should I ever create a fractal worth sharing, I'll upload it as a GIF so as to preserve the Fractint metadata. -- Korax1214 (talk) 10:49, 15 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Maybe good for throwing at image quality quibblers but not for showing on the Main Page (except on 1st of April). ;-) And having an image noncategorized IMO gives a really bad example. --Miaow Miaow (talk) 19:03, 14 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I know what tilted mean, but I am not sure what is "tilted/wraped". Do you believe the image should be turned to one side? Which one? Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 16:39, 14 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I did my best to fix it with this edit. I am not officially nominating it, just demonstrating what I thought was wrong with it. – flamurai17:20, 14 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I am afraid I cannot answer your question. The image was taken in good old days, when I knew nothing about Commons :=). These days I've never kept my originals (there was no reason for me to keep them), but only downsample edits. IMO the effect you're talking about might be a real thing, which could appear, if one takes an image against the sun, but of course it also could be from post processing.Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 01:51, 15 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Unless the birds are in fact the Holy Spirit ;-) Then it will be extremely bloody valuable and proof of the second coming (no, the Bible does not mention glowing birds last time I checked, but we could look at the Apocalypse as a metaphor). Otherwise, overprocessed. ;-) Freedom to share (talk) 21:06, 15 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose A good image, but lacks the impact of current fighter FPs. (QI?) I think this is for a combination of reasons: 1. the gray sky; 2. lack of expected motion (e.g.); 3. composition... the flat-on profile. – flamurai16:17, 14 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment I prefer the composition of the un-croped version[7]. I suggest you nominate that one, as this image is too small (1.5 mpx) --S23678 (talk) 18:54, 22 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Info The original nomination was replaced by an uncrop version of the same image by the nominator. I removed FPX template. --S23678 (talk) 20:09, 22 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment There seems to be some confusion with that file (picture overwritting, de-overwritting, etc). I rearanged the voting section as per other pictures with alternative pictures. Do not modify the current picture files. Upload a new picture under a new file if necessary. --S23678 (talk) 13:36, 23 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Thank you for nominating this image. Unfortunately, it does not fall within the Guidelines and is unlikely to succeed for the following reason: too small
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Oppose size (1.9MP); quality: too much noise considering the low resolution; crop: clipped wingtip; composition: eagle's on the wrong side of the frame (should be in the back half relative to the direction it's moving, e.g. [8][9][10][11]). – flamurai18:17, 21 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Thank you for nominating this image. Unfortunately, it does not fall within the Guidelines and is unlikely to succeed for the following reason: too small and too noisy
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Fixed! Except the clipped wing feathers on the left side. Keep in mind this is a wild raptor, not a rescue bird in a sanctuary. Being able to get so close, particularly at this tender young age, is extremely challenging! PS: am I allowed to remove the big yellow objection box? --KetaDesign
Boy I sure don't know what you mean by 'low resolution'. When I look at it in full size it's perfectly clear, right down to the twinkling eyeball and the curled toes. Perhaps I'm missing something in the technical aspect? --KetaDesign
The image as you originally uploaded it is 1700x1411 (1.9Mpx, just under the 2Mpx required for all but very exceptional images); the current version is painfully obviously just the original resampled to the larger size in a futile attempt to disguise this. Unfortunately this is an anisotropic process; one cannot add detail by upsampling, one can only remove detail by downsampling. And when I look at the larger image in full size it's even more unsharp than the one I recently FPXed for that reason. -- Korax1214 (talk) 22:20, 21 June 2008 (UTC)reply
OK I knew you were going to say something like that, but waited until you actually did so you would prove you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. What I did was go back to the original scan (which is 108MB) and edit it all over again. OK? Smartie.
If anyone actually wants to be helpful about this, a large size, unedited version is here Image:Babybaldeagle-05sep6.jpg . I would appreciate any tips on how to render it properly, because I know it's high res enough and I have a lot of awesome eagle photos I'd like to share.-- KetaDesign (talk)
Comment this is supposed to be a vote, not a mini-war, but I'd just like to point out that barbed comments such as the above don't help one's cause one bit. For the record, I'd like to point out that I actually did look at the full-size image, and saw for myself that it's horribly unsharp, so the allegation that I "have no idea what [I am] talking about" is unwarranted. -- Korax1214 (talk) 02:13, 22 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment Right, because telling me my "futile attempt" at something which I in fact did not try to do is not a barbed comment.-- KetaDesign (talk)
Comment It's clear that you need to read the Rules at the top of this page before you attempt another FPC nom (it's you who chose to misinterpret my technical comments on the picture quality as a personal attack); also look up "hypocrite" in a dictionary while you're at it. This is the second time you've resorted to an ad hominem instead of arguing your case properly, which just reinforces my conviction that you haven't actually got a case. Speaking of which, this nom is overdue for closure (it's been more than 24 hours since the FPX, and nobody but the nominator has contested it), so someone kindly do so. -- Korax1214 (talk) 21:07, 22 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment My very first comment above after my re-edited image was still being opposed asked for help, as the NORMAL people below were kind enough to offer. Your conviction, or lack thereof, is rather irrelevant.-- KetaDesign (talk)
Oppose The same picture with better technical quality would have been very nice (I like the composition), but the removal of the noise by changing the background is quite obvious (that's my guess on the edit that was done on the picture) on the feathers at the end of the wings, and it's visible on the entire body at 100% zoom (for a 1.9 mpx picture, details must be observed at 100% zoom). As well, a lot of details have been lost by removing the noise from the bird; the full resolution is sharper. --S23678 (talk) 03:37, 22 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment Thanks for trying! I think I might have to rescan these; the images are good quality and close up, it's just the noise from the scan that's bothering everyone.-- KetaDesign (talk)
Thank you for nominating this image. Unfortunately, it does not fall within the Guidelines and is unlikely to succeed for the following reason: too small and has no geolocation
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Support -- Kadellar (talk) 13:24, 22 June 2008 (UTC) I took this photo on Monday 16th June a few minutes before landing. The sky was clear and it is a complete view of the mountain from the east. You can also easily see the military base on the summit. There's another one: Image:PuigMayorAvión.jpgreply
Thank you for nominating this image. Unfortunately, it does not fall within the Guidelines and is unlikely to succeed for the following reason: low contrast and weak composition.
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I respectfully disagree. IMO, if one could see individual rocks inside the crater the image has the rights to be called close-up.--Mbz1 (talk) 19:32, 15 June 2008 (UTC)reply
It is my very favorite reason to oppose images of unique and rare phenomena. Well, I'm glad that me and you have just the opposite opinions of what is and what is not "wow". Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 02:57, 16 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I can see from Halemaumau Crater, this has been going on since March, so, rare, maybe (I am not volcano expert), but rare enough to disregard normal guidelines for FP pictures, no, not for a thing that has been going on for 3 months. The wow factor is not just the rareness of the event, but also the feeling you have when you look at the image. I look at alternative 1 and it looks bad, like a powerfull thing, like something's gonna happen. But I look at the 2 others, and it's no different to my eye than clouds of steam from a papermill. That is my "no wow". --S23678 (talk) 03:47, 16 June 2008 (UTC)reply
If you read the article, I assume you noticed that this is the the first explosive eruption of Halemaumau Crater since 1924. I do not ask you to disregard normal guidelines for FP pictures. IMO the image meets all the guidelines for FP pictures. I just said that I am very glad it was and is a huge "wow" for me. Your opinion is different and that's OK. As with all my nominations my main goal is to share information and knoledge, make people to read the articles, as you did and learn something new. Maybe you could answer not to me, but to yourself this question: "if I did not see Alternative 1, would I still have opposed the two others for "no wow"?" If the answer for this question is "yes", I have nothing to add, if the answer to this question is "no" than I do not think your oppose vote is a valid one.Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 04:14, 16 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Only picture of the 3 to have a "wow" effect: the dark clouds makes it looks like it's from hell. But the picture quality is not good enough for my FP vote, it's not even sharp from the preview window. Perhaps some of it comes from the fact that it's only a 300 kB picture... Do you have a higher quality picture? -- S23678 (talk) 02:48, 16 June 2008 (UTC)reply
For Lycaon with love :=) I really mean it, dear Hans. Here's a good reason to oppose: "not enough details."
Comment As you could see at the right hand side of the image the Sulfur dioxide is falling down to the ground far away from the emmision vent. It was the reason to close down more than a half of Hawaiian Volcano National Park. Sulfur dioxide is very harmful to people health.--Mbz1 (talk) 20:21, 15 June 2008 (UTC)reply
(BTW, are you sure this is grooming? Normally I see them do this when the male wants to mate and grabs a female by the head.)
Thank you for your question, Ianare. I am sure it was grooming. I watched them for quite some time and a male never tried to mate, but performed grooming all the time.--Mbz1 (talk) 14:22, 18 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support An iconic photograph (as the description puts it) "synonymous with humankind's venture into space". Surprised it's not yet featured considering we have a 5.5MP scan. – flamurai08:20, 15 June 2008 (UTC)reply
SupportOppose No geolocation Even if out of focus on the upper portion, this image represents a lot more than just a footstep. --S23678 (talk) 16:47, 15 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support Very valuable, excellent quality, captures the zeitgeist and will not be retakeable until the next manned mission to the moon, so quite some time. Unique. Freedom to share (talk) 21:03, 15 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment -- shouldn't this nom have been added at the (then) top of the list, instead of at the bottom (pun not intended!) where it probably won't be noticed? -- Korax1214 (talk) 11:56, 15 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Neutral There are several marks of the underwear visible...a classical mistake in act photography. The model should wear only wide and soft clothes before the shooting to avoid such marks. --AngMoKio (talk) 18:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose --Tomfriedel What is special about this photo, that would make it a Wikimedia featured picture? Quality of course should be perfect for a close up with today's cameras. I agree about the lighting and composition. Fine photo but Wikimedia featured pic??
I can't help but think that this nom is trying to make a point. Oppose per other noms but specifically, lacks the quality an FP requires. ++Lar: t/c11:32, 16 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Nice ass, no doubt about that. And otherwise? Also, there are the usual problems with personality rights, model release, model possible being underage etcetera. MartinD (talk) 13:56, 23 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support Quite noisy, but entirely forgiveable at a 30 sec. exposure on an APS-C DSLR. Composition is interesting, I love the touch with the mountains at the top. Excellent job with exploiting the reflective nature of the snow. When was this shot taken? The exif data says around 20.12, how much after sunset was that? Good job, nice night shot, Freedom to share (talk) 18:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC) (It would be interesting to see it as an HDR from the RAW file, but that would probably be way too noisy...)reply
Neutral Very nice but tech detail is not too high.
Oppose for 3 reasons: 1. Composition: the large black gap in the middle of the picture, although necessary to give the impression that Innsbruck is in the alps, is not really pleasing in my opinion. 2. Technical details: overexposed lights and a yellow-grey halo over the city. 3. No wow: although not bad, it's an average night shot. --S23678 (talk) 13:36, 17 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment The sun displays mock mirage, but it is hard to see because the sun is greately overexposed in order to show the whole lenght of the Sun pillar, which of course is not nearly as bright as the sun is. The subject of the image is Sun pillar. -- Mbz1 (talk) 19:57, 13 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your question, Freedom to share. Seeing the atmospheric optic phenomena in general and sun pillar in particular deppends on where you live. Because in order for sun pillar to form there should be ice crystalls of a particular shape in the atmosphere, it is much more common to see them far North, in Alaska, for example. They also could be observed in snowy mountains. In San Francisco I see sun pillars 3-4 times per year (and I observe almost all sunsets). Capturing them on film deppends on many things - brightness of the pillar, the presense of the sun and so on. Sun pillars are observed only at sunsets and sunrises and sometime 15-30 minutes after sunset or before sunrise. At my image the sun was still up and of course taking image of a pillar against the sun is not easy. At the same time as I said many times before I do not consider myself to be a good photographer. I am a so-so photographer, but, when I see an atmospheric optic phenomena I take pictures and do my best to share them with as many people as possible because I'd like, if somebody would see something like this himself, he would know what he's looking at.--Mbz1 (talk) 23:28, 15 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment I would like to know why there doesn't seem to be any category for widescreen wallpapers which are non-FP, as there is for 4:3 non-FP wallpapers. Blatant aspect discrimination. :-) -- Korax1214 (talk) 10:46, 17 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Please notice the image was not nominated because of the colorus. The image was nominated to illustrate Sun pillar- an interesting, litlle known atmospheric phenomena. Sun pillar is produced by the reflection of light from ice crystals. The sun pillar is the subject of the image and it is as sharp as it could be.I see no noise in the image except from the waves crashing ashore. :-)--Mbz1 (talk) 22:16, 20 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Dear Hans, phenomenons are usually small and rare.Theta's why they are phenomenons. Let's take for example you supporting my images. It is so rare and such a small percentage (1.64%) compare to you opposing my images that it has all the rights to be called phenomenon. :-)--Mbz1 (talk) 12:50, 21 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment Pity I can't vote a second time. :( I think this would make a good widescreen desktop wallpaper (its low contrast is actually helpful in this respect) even if it's not quite FP material; but as noted above, as far as I've been able to discover there's no category for widescreen wallpapers generally (as there is for 4:3 wallpapers), there's only one for featured widescreen wallpapers. So to remain categorised as wallpaper, this image needs to win its FP vote. -- Korax1214 (talk) 12:01, 23 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I think Category:Widescreen desktop backgrounds would be better, as some screens (e.g. the laptop I'm typing on now) are 16:9 (1.78:1) rather than 16:10 (1.6:1), and the latter strictly speaking ought to be 8:5 anyway. Plus, manufacturers in the future might introduce monitors with the common cinematic 2.35:1 ratio. -- Korax1214 (talk) 13:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support Awesome. The wow factor is in the way the flower transforms into something else, like an ocean, or silk. –Dilaudid20:37, 16 June 2008 (UTC)reply
But there is no shadow on the ground under the front of the tank, and we should see the far track through the near track as much as we see the inside of the far track right now (did I lost someone?). I will support if it's corrected, as the rest looks pretty good for me. --S23678 (talk) 10:46, 17 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Info The international version is now updated to reflect the post-en:WP FPC version.
Question The file names are legacy and not accurate for the diagram. Is it possible to change them to Tank_schematic_diagram.svg and Tank_schematic_diagram_num.svg respectively?
QuestionThe categorisation is also shoddy or non-existent (as with many of my images). I tried CommonSense but got "Fatal error: Call to a member function selectField() on a non-object in /home/daniel/MediaWiki-live/phase3/includes/ExternalStoreDB.php on line 107". Suggestions? Dhatfield (talk) 09:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose No wow. If I compare to other pictures of the Castillo, I see that this picture could be improved (although the following pictures are not FP material, IMO). --S23678 (talk) 00:30, 25 June 2008 (UTC)replyExample: Better colour contrastExample: Original perspective
Oppose, while I think this picture is better than LycaonS23678's examples, the technical quality is too low for an FP. --Aqwis (talk) 09:41, 25 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment The image is as if the United States only sent 14 year olds to that war. I think 'iconic' is a misapplied word here as several if not all of the United States soldiers who were involved in that war actually had the appearance that they were ages 18-25 years old, where are they in this photograph? Can you find a word more suitable than 'iconic' for the description of this child? Also, he forgot to get his haircut the way they were cutting the soldiers hair back then.... -- carol (talk) 05:20, 17 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Nothing bad, but that picture doesn't stand out. It's a wet soldier with some unclear equipment, a neutral facial expression, standing there doing nothing, looking pretty bored. Other than the young face (which may be the reason why that picture was nominated), nothing speaks out of this picture. No wow. --S23678 (talk) 10:59, 17 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose Children at war are used as defense. The United States was totally not defensive in that war. To show a child in the army of the aggressor is to not show that particular war. In the photograph I put next to the nominated image, see the haircuts? Not just the military required the severe haircut, but most dads did as well. The Beatles on Ed Sullivan -- that was the beginning of a trend to allow hair to grow an inch in length below the back of the hairline on the back of the neck. -- carol (talk) 23:38, 17 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support as per oppositions above thi is a peculiar image but I will not oppose it. I find that certain user's manner of analysing the image is too shallow, esp. vis-à-vis the soldier's expresson. When I examine a portrait I look at the eyes of the person: here I can see fear, sadness and despair. What more can be said? --Booksworm (talk) 11:16, 18 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Thank you for nominating this image. Unfortunately, it does not fall within the Guidelines and is unlikely to succeed for the following reason: too small and of bad composition in the top right corner.
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Info There are 46 segments in this image, each segments are from 3 exposures (+2 , 0 , -2 EV) exposure fusioned by TuFuse (making it 138 images in total). The images were taken with Canon EF 70-200mm f/4L USM @ 70mm. The horizontal field of view is about 100 degree, and it is a Cylindrical Projection.
Info The weather on that day was as follows: Visibility - 25 km, Clouds - Few at 2500 feet.
Support The hill on the lower-right corner may give a more 3D-feel of the image, and a feel of looking down the mountain, but blocked some minor residential buildings. -- βαςεLXIV™08:57, 16 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support Amazing! Wow! An orgy of colors! Best picture I've seen in a long time. However, don't hesitate to upload at the highest resolution possible, from 46x10 mpx down to 9 mpx, there a large loss of information from the downsampling. --S23678 (talk) 14:34, 16 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Actually, segments overlap each other (1/2 horizontally, 1/3 vertically). Moreover, some flaws will be visible in the water (due to moving bright ships) when full resolution is uploaded. I think this resolution is enough for internet. --βαςεLXIV™15:12, 16 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Question It is great image! Still I wonder, if you believe we should have two FP images of the same place taken from the same place or in your opinion the current FP should get delisted? Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 14:40, 16 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I don't think the current FP should be delisted. Two images are completely different, not just the camera location. I have seen your arguments in here . In Wikipedia, only one FP of same subject should be present because ONE is enough for the articles. In Commons, its a "a repository of free content images". 2 FP could be present as it is taken by different person, different camera, different time (mine is around 8:00PM). Again, this is my personal opinion only. --βαςεLXIV™
Support Amazing picture! Personally I prefer the colour of this FP but I like your picture with more visibility of sky. The subject of two pictures are different in time. That FP is HK in Dec 2007 and yours is HK in Jun 2008, you may find sight changes at some buildings, too. Finally I would like to know how much time you spent on phototaking and stitching. Baycrest(Talk) 15:41, 16 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I went to the peak 3 times. The first time, clouds were everywhere. I monitored the visibility from HKO and cloud levels from Hong Kong Airport ATIS everday. Take a look at this. The second time, I went by private vehicle, unfortunately, there was a landslide. The third time, I went by Peak Tram from Central, spent 4 hours in total(including finding the best spot, wait until the sun drops, calculating Field of View and Overlapping, finding the best exposure...). For post processing, saved as TIFF from RAW, Merged 138 TIFF to 46, added 10 straight lines(control point) for every segments(46). Also, asked CarolSpears to clone some moving objects. And this image is the final product. --βαςεLXIV™01:31, 17 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Question This this FP is almost identical to the current vote? From the guidelines : "Normally there should never be two featured pictures that are just different versions of the same image, so if a better version exists the original version should be delisted". Is this guideline applies only to edits of the same photograph or does it include very similar photographs as well? --S23678 (talk) 03:37, 20 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support Some people prefer the non-HDR version. The HDR might look too unrealistic for some people. Therefore, I proposed an alternative. --Base64 (talk) 02:41, 18 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Info If you support, please choose only one of them.
Support If I have to select one, I prefer this one as more closer to real scene, you may find the colour of Victoria Harbour is more natural than the HDR version. Baycrest(Talk) 17:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Agree. Both pictures are much better quality and both humming birds from these pictures Magnificent Hummingbird and Sparkling Violetear are almost 2 times bigger than Calypte anna. So I do not think it is valid to offer the images of different species for the comparison. Besides IMO an image cannot be opposed because other images of different species are better.--Mbz1 (talk) 13:48, 19 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment Recently a picture by Mdf of a Trogon was rejected because the branch was big. People said it was not one of Mdf's best photos. From my perspective, the photo was of a rarely seen tropical bird that normally lives hundreds of feet up in the canopy. That particular shot was taken at 1000mm, and had a sharpness almost impossible to achieve at that focal length. So, I thought that particular photo was an amazing achievement, and one of Mdf's best. But the photo was not evaluated on those external considerations. I am not saying that is right or wrong, just pointing it out. Tomfriedel (talk) 16:01, 19 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I would have never rejected an image of a rare bird because of this, but I know how it works here. Of course my subject is very common and has some quality problems.I've nominated it because IMO it is the best image at Commons of Calypte anna and I believe the FP will benefit from the diversity. In other words IMO it is better to have FP image of a different specie with some quality problems than two great images of the same bird.Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 17:10, 19 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Tomfriedel's reasoning. Anyway if you are convinced that it is the best images of Calypte anna on Commons, then please submit to COM:VI. Lycaon (talk) 18:29, 19 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment More information is needed: what kind of molecule is it, and is the "purple cloud" representing the cloud of electrons or something else? --S23678 (talk) 12:57, 19 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Why SVG? This raster is generated by 3D rendering - if changes are needed, they should be made to the source POV and it should be re-rendered. Converting the image to vector each time would not make it better. Dhatfield (talk) 16:34, 19 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose I don't have any major technical complaints, but the render is so basic it just doesn't seem that impressive. – flamurai16:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Obviously, it's "my call". It's well executed, and better than auto renders, but what makes this stand out enough to justify it being featured as one of the best images on Commons? – flamurai21:23, 19 June 2008 (UTC)reply
OpposeLycaon (talk) 06:21, 20 June 2008 (UTC) As flamurai. We can hardly feature all of the hundreds of thousands of molecules that happen to be rendered (quite prettily) by some software. And if you must feature one, then why not something complicated (e.g. tetrodotoxin) or well-known (e.g. chlorophyll) instead of a simple dipeptide? Lycaon (talk) 18:35, 19 June 2008 (UTC)reply
To clarify, this was not an automated render. This, this, this, this and this are automated renders. They are, to put it politely, ugly. As for subject matter, Commons does not allow upload of any 3D file formats so this is all I have to work with. Dhatfield (talk) 19:34, 19 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Info Happily. Source: I got the source POV-ray (.pov) file from Ed Boas after seeing his image at WP:en FPC. The POV file was generated by molecular modeling software and this image was intended as a demonstration of the forces and interactions that are modeled. Presumably, that is why Ed chose a simple model. All of my works are marked as derivatives of the image he uploaded (which, technically, they are not), but I got the molecular skeleton from Ed - I don't know the attribution protocol in this case. Rendering process: A POV file is a text file analogous to a three dimensional SVG file that describes the camera and all objects & lights in the scene in 3D coordinates. However a 3D scene is significantly more complex than a vector image because 3D rendering uses the process of ray-tracing where objects can only be seen by their interaction with light that subsequently enters the camera. The scene is actually computed in reverse with 'vision rays' emanating from the camera - hence ray tracing. It's like photography in a vacuum. Objects have associated colour, texture (intensity and bump maps of any level of complexity), reflectance & shadow properties and can interact with lights by diffuse, specular, ambient and phong components. Lights have colour, brightness, orientation, axial and radial falloff, and their own parameters for how they interact with objects and create highlights and cast shadows. Edits: The original contained a construction error for the hydrophobic region which I fixed, I added an extra light to get the dual highlight (otherwise a point light source interacting with a sphere creates an unattractive and fake looking perfectly circular highlight) and shifted them off-center to the left, added another for top-right illumination, tuned the reflectance parameters of each object and changed the solid texture and shadow parameters. Editing was done in text and was not trivial. Software: I used POV-ray 3.61 (www.povray.org) a free, but tragically not libre program to render the scene. Overall: Is this the best that Commons has to offer in molecular models? I'm fairly sure it is. Of the first 250 of 1616 hits for 'molecule' and all 141 hits for 'molecular model' this and this are the only ones that come close and they don't come very close. As though we need more examples, here's another unrelated example of how to take a fantastic source and completely duff the render. Dhatfield (talk) 21:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment Some type of oranges are ripe when still green outside. The orange oranges were 'developed' for the western markets... Lycaon (talk) 14:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)reply
SupportGood quality and very interesting, for these are not calibrated, smooth, unstained and uniform. These are real fruit (though waxed !) --B.navez (talk) 16:43, 21 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support I saw a period movie that was supposed to be set in the early 1900s or something and they had a fruit cart with the more recently cultivated apples and oranges on it that all looked the same and were all perfectly colored and so boring and perhaps lacking in taste. Support for knowing, learning or remembering that fruits are not like this and it has nothing to do with perfection. -- carol (talk) 18:47, 21 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support Why can't I ever see such things? Muhammad
To see such things you need to have a very special ground fog and the sun above it. It is rather rare in San Francisco too.--Mbz1 (talk) 12:53, 21 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support You're the queen of crespuscular rays :) I've tried, but didn't achieve the same spectacular results. Benh (talk) 19:02, 27 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support Interesting perspective. There could have been more ground/less sky view to have a complete view of the grassed area in the bottom portion of the picture, but this is not the main subject of the picture --S23678 (talk) 21:50, 20 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Info Full resolution panorama (40 mpx) of Sacsayhuamán (Pronounce "Sexy Woman") wall in Cusco, Peru. Has some defaults at 100% zoom, but in-line with guidelines: "it is important that nominated pictures have as high a resolution as possible"
Support Though the downsampled one is much more convenient for computer-viewing, so it's probably worth linking to it on the image description as, say "Web resolution version". Adam Cuerden (talk) 06:40, 21 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose for what is going on in the foreground. -- \mathbf{C} 22:16, 23 June 2008 (UTC)Comment: I re-inserted this vote to reflect the modifications that were made by mathbfC (he previously removed his vote). --S23678 (talk) 12:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Info Downsampled (10 mpx) version of previous picture. Sharper at 100% zoom, but the same effect is achieved with a 50% zoom of the full sized picture.
Comment Did you shoot these with DSC V-1? If yes, you might need 2-3 rows instead of one row. Full resolution * 0.25 is the best for DC, resolution <> detail. Also, you already had an argument in here. ALL producers make the Camera's resolution high by Aliasing the image before it is saved to JPEG. The purpose of downsample is: 1.Reduce Noise/Grain 2.Make the image look sharper ... Let me give you one more example, the FP Image:Saint Chely Tarn.jpg has 19 megapixels, the author downsampled from full res to 30%. That could be calulated: (2592*3888)*30%/6 = 503884.8(resolution per 1/6 individual segment). The entire image has 14 segments, WHEN excluding the overlaps, there are 40 parts of 1/6. 40(parts)*503884.8(best res per 1/6 part)=20.1 , similar to the UPLOADED 19.6 megapix. AFTER Croping, it's perfectly logical. --Base64 (talk) 07:16, 21 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Yes, I've used my old DSC-V1, and the picture is taken at the maximum zoom of 4x, so the picture is at it's maximum possible resolution. I totally agree that a oversampled picture of a very big mosaic reduces noise/grain and makes the image sharper, I'd be a fool to think otherwise. But that downsampling results in a loss of information. Commons being a deposit of free images, someone can take my full resolution image and modify/rotate/downsample it with a higher quality in the end than if he was working with the already downsampled version. For example, if someone would like to do a wallpaper with the left edge of the picture (Cusco and Sacsayhuamán) for a screen like mine (1680x1050), he would downsample from my full resolution version (1050<2068 vertical pixels), but would have to zoom on my downsampled picture (1050>1032 vertical pixels). I admit that I've posted these 2 different resolutions to make a point, since my last FPC had 4 of the 5 oppose votes because of lack of details at 100% zoom on a 4800 x 3500 full resolution picture. And I hope this vote will support the guideline's point on maximum resolution, and future un-downsampled FPC will be able to refer to this vote for support. --S23678 (talk) 15:41, 21 June 2008 (UTC)reply
StrongOppose, we don't feature downsampled versions, we feature the full version then LINK to the downsampled version. --Aqwis (talk) 09:54, 21 June 2008 (UTC)reply
*Your statement is unclear... what is going on in the foreground? Clarify your reason please. --S23678 (talk) 22:50, 23 June 2008 (UTC)Comment This comment was inserted by MathbfC, not by me. --S23678 (talk) 13:02, 24 June 2008 (UTC)reply
The need for further explanation of a vote, while there is nothing to stop anyone from continuing to ask; I personally am more interested in the answering of a similar question which was asked at the nomination of Paeonia Detail and that image is much closer to the closing of the evaluation time than this one is (I think). -- carol (talk) 22:37, 24 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I don't understand your comment (sorry, English is my second language). Can you re-write please saying what is the similar question at this FPC, and what is the relation with my FPC. Thank you. --S23678 (talk) 00:39, 25 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Perhaps a more interesting query into the meaning of a review can be found at that other nomination. Simply due to the fact that that image is older in the process, that question seems more important to be answered. I feel assured that the whole nomination page can be viewed by everyone nominating, reviewing and making opinions here, perhaps this is not the case? -- carol (talk) 00:47, 25 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Question Please clarify, what is "CS3"? (Remember that acronyms/initialisms may not always be clear, or mean the same thing, to different people). I too would like to know how to edit an image in such a way as to preserve EXIF data (by saving it separately, and writing it back into the image after editing?) -- Korax1214 (talk) 11:16, 27 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support I can forgive a crop that could be better with the beautiful contrast background/bird/bird eyes. This picture is a lot more attractive than the 2 other FP, IMO. --S23678 (talk) 18:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support A masterpiece. If it would not scare away girls at first sight, I would frame it and put it up on my wall ;-) Why do such shots have such a low WAF? How long did it take you to take it, as in how many tries? Freedom to share (talk) 19:02, 21 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment There are a few dust problems in the center of the image, if they are removed by some one other than me, I will surely support this image. I am wondering if the hang glider is incoming or outgoing? -- carol (talk) 23:44, 21 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I was thinking, it could have been a mid trip touch down and then back up again because the glider was still inflated and all. Looks like fun. -- carol (talk) 06:32, 23 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Support The spot on the right in the clouds -- if I ever make a print of this for personal use, I will fix it.... -- carol (talk) 06:32, 23 June 2008 (UTC)reply
No, comments can be in any language as befits the multi-lingual status of Commons. Anyone who does't understand has easy access to online translators. --MichaelMaggs (talk) 20:19, 25 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Well, my english is unfortunately bad. In addition the submitter speaks german. So I put the comment in german. But I try to say it in english: The picture is pretty good but there are too many things (especially the glider) drawing off the attention from the building.--Ukuthenga (talk) 14:36, 26 June 2008 (UTC) 14:36, 26 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose No wow. The Banz Abbey feels disconnected from the rest of the picture, hiding behind those trees. It's a well done panorama, but it's missing "that little something" --S23678 (talk) 17:03, 27 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Info created by Username - uploaded by Username - nominated by Username -- Böhringer 08:08, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Support -- Böhringer 08:08, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Oppose - Very nice catch but poor image quality. A good candidate to VI though -- Alvesgaspar 08:38, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Question Conclusion in 10mim? The other has no right to vote?--Econt 11:16, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Neutral Nice image, but geocoding would come in useful. Freedom to share 20:05, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Done Geocode added. – Susulyka 12:31, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
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Comment -- I didn't blur the background in photoshop. Not much postprocessing here except a little bit of contrast and saturation. The sky appears deep blue because of the use of a circular polarizer and the very high altitude. XtoF 11:48, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
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Strong support Fantastic! -startaq 08:41, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
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Weak support A nice image but the background is a little on the distracting side. Cpl Syx 13:39, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
erledigt --Richard Bartz 11:43, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
? -- 67.180.38.172 04:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
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Now you got to figure out what this vote means. Rocket000 21:23, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
, which probabably because of its "low quality" is FP in few places. Thanks.--Mbz1 23:24, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
. The seal has been developed over several iterations based on feedback from this Community discussing it purpose thoroughly. 
I withdraw my nomination
Image:Amundsen-Scott marsstation ray h edit2.jpg here's a perspective corrected version. Mfield 12:12, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
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Comment And when you nominate you should be more specific (creator, nominator, uploader). --norro 22:11, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
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Keep Agree on the size and the rised standards, but I can't send this bemedalled veteran to pension. Shows pollination very well. --Richard Bartz 09:55, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
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Rock On! In the words of Brynn "This is the epitome of what all rocks aspire to be" -- ShakataGaNai Talk 03:11, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Oppose I have no sense of humor. – flamurai 16:21, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
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