Wikidata:Property proposal/school of martial arts
school of martial arts
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Under discussion
| Description | school or style of martial arts this person studied |
|---|---|
| Represents | type of fighting style (Q66088122) |
| Data type | Item |
| Domain | martial arts (Q11417) and fictional martial arts (Q55566151) |
| Example 1 | Miyamoto Musashi (Q193344)→Niten Ichi-ryū (Q1550519) |
| Example 2 | Yagyū Munenori (Q631099)→Yagyū Shinkage-ryū (Q492116) |
| Example 3 | Chiba Shusaku Narimasa (Q5095311)→Hokushin Ittō-ryū (Q5361345) |
| Example 4 | Himura Kenshin (Q1036543)→Hiten Mitsurugi-ryū (Q11665751) |
| Example 5 | Romero Cavalcanti (Q7363163)→Brazilian jiu-jitsu (Q189336) |
| Example 6 | Li Yi (Q56280757)→wushu (Q3479346) |
| See also | style of karate (P7406) |
Motivation
[edit]style of karate (P7406) already exists, but that property can only be used for karate. Traditional Japanese martial arts have eighteen variations based on the weapons (Bugei jūhappan (Q4986153)). For that reason, I argue the property corresponding to schools of swordsmanship and the like are also necessary.--禁樹なずな (talk) 01:53, 14 August 2026 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]Why not just use educated at (P69)? Mbch331 (talk) 16:25, 17 August 2026 (UTC)
- You could practice a style of martial arts whithout having been educated at the school which originated the style. educated at (P69) would imply the latter, the proposed property does not. --Volvox (talk) 19:40, 17 August 2026 (UTC)
@禁樹なずな: Is this property supposed to be specific to Japanese martial arts? If not, ryūha (Q2386338) would be too specific, and some examples of non Japanese styles would be helpful. --Volvox (talk) 19:42, 17 August 2026 (UTC)
- This property can be used for martial arts worldwide, such as Chinese martial arts (Q3705105), silat (Q569801), and Brazilian jiu-jitsu (Q189336). If a corresponding item exists in Wikidata, it can also be subdivided, for example, Yang-style t'ai chi ch'uan (Q1893959) and Machado Jiu-Jitsu (Q3274246).--禁樹なずな (talk) 00:57, 18 August 2026 (UTC)
- Ok. To reflect this, I have changed the subject item from ryūha (Q2386338) to type of fighting style (Q66088122) and added two new examples. I also added martial arts (Q11417) and fictional martial arts (Q55566151) as domain. To make it clear, that this property is not about the educational institutions martial arts school (Q135495953), I suggest renaming the property to "martial arts style". --Volvox (talk) 18:02, 22 August 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you for your insightful observations. I agree with your opinion.--禁樹なずな (talk) 07:00, 31 August 2026 (UTC)
- Ok. To reflect this, I have changed the subject item from ryūha (Q2386338) to type of fighting style (Q66088122) and added two new examples. I also added martial arts (Q11417) and fictional martial arts (Q55566151) as domain. To make it clear, that this property is not about the educational institutions martial arts school (Q135495953), I suggest renaming the property to "martial arts style". --Volvox (talk) 18:02, 22 August 2026 (UTC)
- @Mbch331, Volvox: Would you like to give your opinion? -- Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 18:28, 21 August 2026 (UTC)
- I'm still not entirely convinced, if I interpret it correctly, it looks a lot like movement (P135). Mbch331 (talk) 18:52, 21 August 2026 (UTC)
- I think movement (P135) is more about a "school of thought", whether it be scientific, philosophical, literary or artistic. The proposed property would rather be about a "style" or "technique" involving use of one's body. In my opinion, this difference warrants a separate property. --Volvox (talk) 17:14, 22 August 2026 (UTC)
- I'm still not entirely convinced, if I interpret it correctly, it looks a lot like movement (P135). Mbch331 (talk) 18:52, 21 August 2026 (UTC)
Support I think it makes sense to have a more generic property than style of karate (P7406). Neither movement nor educated at fulfill the same semantic purpose. And I can see plenty of use cases where this property could be used. Kordishal (talk) 11:31, 23 September 2026 (UTC){{not done}}- Hi @ZI Jony. Is it possible to reopen the discussion? I was under the impression that every concern had been adressed either by explaining or by adapting the property proposal. I noticed that I failed to vote pro myself, after making the proposal changes that I thought necessary. --Volvox (talk) 12:38, 3 October 2026 (UTC)
- @Volvox, even you support this proposal, @Mbch331, should be convinced as well. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 12:41, 3 October 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks. Then I'd like to invite @Mbch331 to let me know if my reply to his concerns from 21 August was sufficient. --Volvox (talk) 13:23, 3 October 2026 (UTC)
- I'm not fully convinced, but I don't want to be the only blocker. Mbch331 (talk) 15:03, 3 October 2026 (UTC)
- Volvox, reopened as requested. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 14:01, 4 October 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you. I'll take the opportunity to vote
- Support. --Volvox (talk) 19:40, 4 October 2026 (UTC)
- I really don't see how this could be modeled with the currently available properties.
- Volvox, reopened as requested. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 14:01, 4 October 2026 (UTC)
- I'm not fully convinced, but I don't want to be the only blocker. Mbch331 (talk) 15:03, 3 October 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks. Then I'd like to invite @Mbch331 to let me know if my reply to his concerns from 21 August was sufficient. --Volvox (talk) 13:23, 3 October 2026 (UTC)
- @Volvox, even you support this proposal, @Mbch331, should be convinced as well. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 12:41, 3 October 2026 (UTC)
- Hi @ZI Jony. Is it possible to reopen the discussion? I was under the impression that every concern had been adressed either by explaining or by adapting the property proposal. I noticed that I failed to vote pro myself, after making the proposal changes that I thought necessary. --Volvox (talk) 12:38, 3 October 2026 (UTC)
- educated at (P69) - has the issue that you can train an martial art style without attending a specific school or schools which teach multiple martial art styles, which makes it not sufficient to cover all the cases this intents to cover.
- movement (P135) is concerned with general social or intellectual movements, I don't think a martial arts style fits into this.
- So I think having a generic property that encompasses all martial arts styles and not just one is an useful new property.
- There also dance style (P10741) which would be a similar property for a different, but adjacent field of sports. Kordishal (talk) 14:18, 4 October 2026 (UTC)
- "martial arts style" seems to me the better name then the current "school of martial arts". It being an equivalent to dance style (P10741) is nice. While not having looked at all possible examples I would expect that style as a word that's a bit broader then school has some examples that it covers better. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 21:22, 5 October 2026 (UTC)