Wikidata talk:WikiProject Labels and descriptions

A fantastic idea. The only suggestion I have at this stage is that while tranches of 1000 for labels seems do-able, tranches of 100 for descriptions might be a bit more manageable for the casual contributor. —WFC— 01:20, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

The headers are only there to see easy where something has been done already and to prevent edit conflicts. So you can also add under the header Q4001 - Q5000 that you have done * English: Q4301 - Q4400 - {{done}} - ~~~~. Romaine (talk) 01:25, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

And Italian language? Raoli (talk) 22:22, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Thinking ahead

There should be soon millions of Wikidata entries, and they all should have labels and descriptions in as many languages as possible, even those that do not have a corresponding Wikipedia article. To achieve this, we surely need a bit of planning and quite a bit of bot development. I think it could roughly follow the following steps:

• collect ideas for format and internationalization
• run bots to do the bulk of the work
• manually refine
• go back to step one.

One thing that may be useful would be to collect first many translations for phrases that could be used in many items, like "a disambiguation page" or "a village in India". This way a bot could add that, and then users could tweak them to make them more precise.Zolo (talk) 17:48, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Good point, even if a policy for labels/descriptors would be language-specific. However, Wikidata is organized by numbers and we will need some tables with gaps on different languages (by items, actually). These tables are going to be HUGE (items multiplied by languages) so it is better to find good enough structure for them. Zanka (talk) 18:42, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Special page

Tracked in Bugzilla
Bug 42102

Tracked in Bugzilla
Bug 41597

Would it be possible to have a special page with all the unlabeled/undescripted pages in a certain language? --Cruccone (talk) 11:02, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Please follow bugzilla:41597 for that. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 11:18, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Code to do this is now committed; do you know when it will be released to production? Jdforrester (talk) 06:22, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

It'll be in the next deployment which will hopefully happen soon. I unfortunately have no date for it though. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 11:49, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

As long as there is no special page i could list all items which are missing a label or description. (I already did it for a part of fr and de labels). --Sk!d (talk) 22:33, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

I just submitted a bug to request a special page for missing descriptions, too: bugzilla:42102 --Waldir (talk) 15:00, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

It would be great to have special pages for that. Romaine (talk) 15:28, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Splitting Pages into Languages

I am thinking about splitting this page into Subpages e.g. Wikidata:Labels and Descriptions Task Force/en for every language. Because this page will get bigger and bigger and not all languages are equally fast. Another aspect is that most of the people don't care for other languages so if they had one site in their own language they might be more active and the introduction/discussion would be in there first language. Another aspect is that i am thinking other languages like Russian or so maybe be also willing to start a task force. What do you think? --Sk!d (talk) 13:02, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Comparison is motivating, but of cause your right that the page is getting to long. BTW: The names of the categories are not consistent, see Wikidata:Project chat#Category:Task force. --Kolja21 (talk) 19:07, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

The page is getting too long, but it will become much much longer in the near future (something like 10 millions once all relevant Wikipedia articles are added). So I am not sure that this way of dealing with description and labels is viable. I guess thematic task forces like Wikidata:Country subdivision task force will be better able to handle a high number of pages in a relatively clean way (and for items that are not part of any task force, we should soon get special pages for items without a label/description). --Zolo (talk) 09:04, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

On the long run we need tracking categories like de:Kategorie:Wikipedia:Normdaten-Wartung. They would have names like "Label missing" and subcategories like "Label missing/en". --Kolja21 (talk) 11:23, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

This wont be necessary with the next wikidata update there should be a special page where you can search items with missing Labels/Discriptions. --Sk!d (talk) 16:38, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

What a bright future ;) --Kolja21 (talk) 16:51, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Q1161

It seems that this item links to articles about Limbourg region but also to disambiguation pages in different languages. I don't know which ones should be kept. B25es (talk) 16:05, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

I've changed the description: "the concept of things called 'Limburg'" to "disambiguation page", see Help:Description. --Kolja21 (talk) 16:35, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Difficult labels

I don't know what to put as label:

• Q99926
• Q100110
• Q100114

Anyone? Romaine (talk) 11:44, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

• Q99926 - Ivanovka like in en:Ivanovka, Kyrgyzstan
• Q100110 - Ivanovka
• Q100114 - Ivanovka

Cheers --Kolja21 (talk) 12:05, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

I've put the labels and descriptions. It's Ivanivka, 'cause in Ukraine. Cheers. --Robot Monk (talk) 15:45, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanx! I've just looked at the Russian translation, but of cause you a right. --Kolja21 (talk) 18:13, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Language worklist subpages

As you may have seen i added subpages that are updated by my bot. Please feel free to add any comments here. Is there sth. that i can improve at content or layout? Have you any question? If there is a major community for an additional language i could create a new report, too. If Toolserver is ok (currently not), reports are updated twice a day. Merlissimo (talk) 13:19, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Die Liste Wikidata:Labels and descriptions task force/de ist eine riesen Hilfe. Kannst du einen kurzen Einleitungstext schreiben, wie die Untergliederung zu verstehen ist? In den ersten beiden Abschnitten gibt es keine, im dritten folgen offenbar div. deutsche Dialekte, incl. dem Abschnitt "other". Gruß --Kolja21 (talk) 16:05, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

1. Abschnitt: de-description vorhanden, aber kein de-Label

2. Abschnitt: de-label vorhanden, aber keine de-description

3. Abschnitt: weder de-label noch de-description vorhanden. Allerdings ist die Liste weiter unterteilt abhängig von den vorhandenen sitelinks. Items in dem jeweiligen Unterschschnitt haben einen sitelink zu den Wiki, das in der h4-Überschrift genannt ist. Einzeln aufgeführt werden alle Wikis, wo de im Fallbackpath der Sprache "de" steht. Alle, wo de nicht im fallbackpath auftaucht sind unter "other" zu finden. Der "other"-Abschnitt wird am schwersten abzuarbeiten sein, weil dort auch Items zu finden sind, die z.B. nur auf das koreanische und arabische Wiki verweisen und man deshalb richtig Arbeit in die Übersetzung investieren muss.

4. Abschnitt: Label und description sind identisch. Man sollte Items aber unterscheiden können, weshalb man die description erweitern sollte.

Merlissimo (talk) 16:19, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

• If it is not very difficult, please create a page for the Russian language (ru). --Art-top (talk) 19:53, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

  Adding a new language is easy. One second. Merlissimo (talk) 21:00, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

  Thank you! --Art-top (talk) 21:05, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Bot setting automatic disambiguation description

My bot is currently setting autmatic disambuigation descriptions for en, de and it (like this). There for it checks if there is already a description and after this, if the page is a disambiguationpage. If this is true he sets the description (if there is no interwikilink at all but e.g. the English page is disambiguation he also sets the description). My bot also removes the brackets part e.g. in en "(disambiguation)". I would prefer to do this work for many other languages too. But therefore the rules must be clear, so every language should discuss if they want my bot to do the same for their language. And if so they should tell my what description my bot should add and which part of the Label my bot should remove. It is also possible to only add a description if there is an interwikilink (with a disambiguation site). --Sk!d (talk) 01:11, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

+1 looks good! --Kolja21 (talk) 15:19, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

• es: "página de desambiguación" (thanks a lot!) B25es (talk) 16:25, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
• fr: "homonymie" or "page d'homonymie" - thanks! --Eric-92 (talk) 01:37, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
• fa: "صفحات ابهام‌زدایی ویکی‌پدیا" thanks -Mathematicair (talk) 21:01, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Bot should now add all three descriptions above. --Sk!d (talk) 23:26, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

• fi: "täsmennyssivu", thank you! --Stryn (talk) 09:10, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

 Done, bot is also adding ru: "страница значений" now. --Sk!d (talk) 15:09, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

• id: "Halaman disambiguasi" - thanks in advance  Ę-oиė  >>>  ™ 15:22, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

 Done --Sk!d (talk) 15:37, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

• ms: "Laman nyahkekaburan" - Thank you! - 26 Ramadan (talk) 06:42, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
• ca: "Pàgina de desambiguació". Gràcies--Arnaugir (talk) 22:13, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Proposal for a new page design

This page will get more and more confusing with increasing content. I would like to change it to something like this:

Labels

Labels completed till...

• English: ...Q12345
• German: ...Q12345
• French: ...Q12345
• Spanish: ...Q12345
• Italian: ...Q12345

Labels missing inbetween

English:	Q123, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456
German:	Q123, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456
French:	Q123, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456
Spanish:	Q123, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456
Italian:	Q123, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456, Q123, Q456

What do you think? --Sixsi6ma (talk) 02:29, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

¿Es necesario tener por separado los títulos y las descripciones? Obviamente cuando se hace una página se completan ambos conceptos y no veo la finalidad de tenerlos que incluir en dos listas. --LadyInGrey (talk) 02:48, 9 December 2012 (UTC) Si alguien traduce, se lo agradecería mucho.

I assume the question is, if we would have the same thing for the descriptions? Yes, the same thing goes for those accordingly. I am not sure what the following means, either you dont like the separation between progress border and the table of the missing ones or the separation between label and description. The labels are mostly set by bot and therefore further ahead, I would not recommend to summarize them with the descriptions. I seperated the ones missing inbetween because there will be quite many and I dont want them to obstruct the progress border. --Sixsi6ma (talk) 05:29, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Following with LadyInGrey's point, whenever we fill the title field we also fill the description field. Sometimes the opposite is also true: we modify bot-generated titles when we describe. Therefore, having different listings for titles and descriptions doesn't help. Bot titles are not perfect. For instance, the provincia de Valencia is to be titled Valencia and described provincia de España. The bot would just title Provincia de Valencia. Not terribly wrong, but could lead to error if you search Valencia, as you wouldn't find that in addition to being a city is also a province. I support having just one list of Qs with missing info, either title and/or description. B25es (talk) 07:57, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Are you talking about the main page layout or subpages created by my bot? The subpages also have different lists, but every item is only member of exact one list. Merlissimo (talk) 12:18, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Duplicate items

I have a problem with this two items: Q3298 and Q3695. The second seems to be the duplicate both in English and German of the first. Someone have any ideas? Thanks in advance! --Paperoastro (talk) 23:21, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

They don't seem to be duplicates to me, the german articles even mention each other. --Sixsi6ma (talk) 02:11, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

I got it. Thanks for the explanation! :) --Paperoastro (talk) 13:39, 16 December 2012 (UTC)